minitrialer Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 http://fuelandtaxprotest.mfbiz.com/ Saw this on Piston Heads. Ahhh im going out. post more later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!()`/D Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Ah i see our government is continuing to make a pigs ear out of this country, ive just finished 2 years at college studying mechanics and im about to start an apprenticeship with royal mail fixing their fleet, well whats the point? for all of about 12 years of my career im going to have to completley retrain and learn about electric motors instead and so is just about everyone else in the motor industry aswell as making thousands of people in the motor/oil industry redundant, well done Mr.Brown, well done. Prat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme_biker0 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 (edited) If you are fed up with how this country and the public is being fleeced then i urge you to attend the protest on the 19th July 2008. Even if you think it will ammount to nothing comma if one MP or minister sits up and takes notice then it will be worthwhile. If your happy with how things are heading then do nothing, want to take a stand then get yourself onboard and make a difference! Organising a protest large enough to make a difference will take a lot of effort. This guy can't even be bothered to read back his paragraph trying to get you to attend the protest. This particular angry man protest is not worth your time. Others may be though; I agree with the points, the country is overtaxed and the high fuel tax currently levied unfairly punishes those that work. No, public transport is not a reasonable option to get to work for say, 80% of people, just because stations/stops (bus, tram, train, whatever) are so sparse nowadays. Not to mention that it's unreliable and the shitty old trains and shitty bus's make you feel like you're in the third world. Edited July 9, 2008 by Extreme_biker0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Ah i see our government is continuing to make a pigs ear out of this country, ive just finished 2 years at college studying mechanics and im about to start an apprenticeship with royal mail fixing their fleet, well whats the point? for all of about 12 years of my career im going to have to completley retrain and learn about electric motors instead and so is just about everyone else in the motor industry aswell as making thousands of people in the motor/oil industry redundant, well done Mr.Brown, well done. Prat. mr brown ahsnt changed the amount of oil on this earth mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!()`/D Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 (edited) mr brown hasn't changed the amount of oil on this earth mate No, however he did rise the tax on fuel, which is oh, wait, made up from hydrocarbons from oil, even then he went to saudi arabia to ask them to lower the cost of oil and even then he asked for the wrong type of oil to be lowerd in value. EDIT : It was Mr.Brown that decided he wanted no more petrol/diesel cars on britains roads. Edited July 9, 2008 by !!()`/D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 No, however he did rise the tax on fuel, which is oh, wait, made up from hydrocarbons from oil, even then he went to saudi arabia to ask them to lower the cost of oil and even then he asked for the wrong type of oil to be lowerd in value. yeh, granted he may have upped the price on fuel, but dont blame him for you following the wrong career! if oil runs out and your skills are made redundant, then it definitely isnt mr browns fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!()`/D Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 When did anyone say anything about running out of oil? Do you actually know how much is under the surface of the north pole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 When did anyone say anything about running out of oil? Do you actually know how much is under the surface of the north pole? no i dont know how much oil is under the surface of the north pole, please tell me. electric cars will be used if we run out of oil, thats why i made the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Booth Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Dunno if I read it right in the mail today, but it's not NO petrol cars after 2020, but cars sold durring 2020 an onwards will have to be electric/hybrid? So there will still be petrol cars on the roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Quinn Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 When did anyone say anything about running out of oil? Do you actually know how much is under the surface of the north pole? Do you actually know how much oil the people on this earth use? I don't know much about this but i'm sure theres not just all this fuss about running out of oil for no reason and you're the first person in all the scientists and researches to realise theres some under the north pole Ah i see our government is continuing to make a pigs ear out of this country, ive just finished 2 years at college studying mechanics and im about to start an apprenticeship with royal mail fixing their fleet, well whats the point? for all of about 12 years of my career im going to have to completley retrain and learn about electric motors instead and so is just about everyone else in the motor industry aswell as making thousands of people in the motor/oil industry redundant, well done Mr.Brown, well done. Prat. No offence but i'd rather a few people made redundant than this whole world f**ked up even more. Besides, why would it take 12 years, it didn't take you 12 years to learn the original system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!()`/D Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 (edited) no i dont know how much oil is under the surface of the north pole, please tell me. electric cars will be used ifwe run out of oil, thats why i made the point. Well the russians have actually just claimed some new found oil supply under the surface of the north pole Edited July 9, 2008 by !!()`/D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Well the russians have actually just claimed some new found oil supply under the surface of the north pole. it takes two to be immature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!!()`/D Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 it takes two to be immature Obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boswell Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Wont someone please think of the children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Ah i see our government is continuing to make a pigs ear out of this country, ive just finished 2 years at college studying mechanics and im about to start an apprenticeship with royal mail fixing their fleet, well whats the point? for all of about 12 years of my career im going to have to completley retrain and learn about electric motors instead and so is just about everyone else in the motor industry aswell as making thousands of people in the motor/oil industry redundant, well done Mr.Brown, well done. Prat. Honestly, which would you rather see; a couple of thousand people going back to the jobcentre, or everyone on the planet being roasted alive by nuclear radiation from the sun? And nope, its not a trick question. When did anyone say anything about running out of oil? Do you actually know how much is under the surface of the north pole? Of course, because we (the midwestern hemisphere; America, Europe, Aisa) havn't f**ked up Eskimo and Innuit ways of life enough as it is. No no, they've got it easy, I'm sure they could live with a couple of thousand refineries destroying what remains of they're fragile habitat and non offensive way of life. Oh, and of course, seeing how well the Iraqi's and Afghan's are doing, the inhabitants of the north pole are probably praying right now for a peice of that coalition forces warfare turning their peaceful nations into the earths newest warzone. You seem to have it all worked out mate, well done, we owe you one. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme_biker0 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 (edited) Of course, because we (the midwestern hemisphere; America, Europe, Aisa) havn't f**ked up Eskimo and Innuit ways of life enough as it is. No no, they've got it easy, I'm sure they could live with a couple of thousand refineries destroying what remains of they're fragile habitat and non offensive way of life. Oh, and of course, seeing how well Saudi Arabia, where they have money coming out of their ears, is doing, the inhabitants of the north pole are probably praying right now for a peice of that coalition forces warfare turning their peaceful nations into the earths newest warzone. You seem to have it all worked out mate, well done, we owe you one. There, fixed that for you. You can't just selectively choose the coutries that are failing despite having oil to try and force a point that oil wells are a bad thing for a country. They blatently are not. They would extract the oil if they could, but they're not allowed, some kind of environmental treaty or something says that they can't. Which is rediculous anyway, seeing as oil wells take up a tiny tiny patch of land, and precautions can be taken to leave no trace behind, such as making the oil companies pay up front for the cleanup operation. Oil refineries do not have to be in the same place as the oil wells by the way. They aren't now and don't have to be in the future. Edited July 9, 2008 by Extreme_biker0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 There, fixed that for you. You can't just selectively choose the coutries that are failing despite having oil to try and force a point that oil wells are a bad thing for a country. They blatently are not. They would extract the oil if they could, but they're not allowed, some kind of environmental treaty or something says that they can't. Which is rediculous anyway, seeing as oil wells take up a tiny tiny patch of land, and precautions can be taken to leave no trace behind, such as making the oil companies pay up front for the cleanup operation. Oil refineries do not have to be in the same place as the oil wells by the way. They aren't now and don't have to be in the future. A fair few good points, but the simple fact is that the damage being done by the central region of the world has the greatest effect at the north and south poles, and many of those people's lifestyles have already been ruined because of this. Building oil wells/refineries/pumps, etc, would just be one more snub at these people, showing how little regard we have for their civilisation and our greed in the form of consumerism. Thankfully as you've pointed out I believe there are treaties stopping drilling in the arctic regions, but the simple fact that that guy I originally quoted clearly didn't know that and felt that it was just a simple solution showed such total ignorance which really f**ked me off. And out of curiosity, I don't entirely follow how the Arabs having a lot of money makes a difference to my argument? Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 ive just finished 2 years at college studying mechanics and im about to start an apprenticeship with royal mail fixing their fleet, well whats the point? for all of about 12 years of my career im going to have to completley retrain and learn about electric motors instead and so is just about everyone else in the motor industry aswell as making thousands of people in the motor/oil industry redundant, well done Mr.Brown, well done. Prat. yea, because at royal mail, everything you do is engine work. bear in mind on a service on a combo van(which is what you currently run) an a 1st service is 1.3 hours. of that 1.3 hours, your allocated about 10 minutes for stuff relating to the engine. (i.e you change the oil and filter, check for visual leaks of coolant/oil/fuel). the other 1.1 hours is allocated to suspension, brakes, steering, chassis, lights, wipers, washers, seatbelts etc,which wont really change with electric cars. so your training on engines will actually relate to about 15% of the time you spend servicing that vehicle, and even less time on the 2nd, 4th and 6th services. and that percentage will go down, if you have to replace tyres, discs, pads etc. and its not like you need much training to change an oil and filter. so to do a similar task on an electric vehicle, would require little training too. granted you wont be rebuilding electric motors after a week long course, but chances are theyll be sealed for life units, and either replaced, or repaired by specialist companies/manufacturers under warranty (pretty much the same as if you get engine failiure in a royal mail combo at below 3 years or 60,000, will go back to the dealer to be sorted). and before you ask, im trained in pretty much the position youll be in, in 3 years, only i do more hydraulic and mechanical aids as well. and does this whole thing bother me, does it hell(because after a couple of years, you realise your not that arsed about working with vehicles, and its just a job, and theres plenty more out there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme_biker0 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 (edited) A fair few good points, but the simple fact is that the damage being done by the central region of the world has the greatest effect at the north and south poles, and many of those people's lifestyles have already been ruined because of this. Building oil wells/refineries/pumps, etc, would just be one more snub at these people, showing how little regard we have for their civilisation and our greed in the form of consumerism. Thankfully as you've pointed out I believe there are treaties stopping drilling in the arctic regions, but the simple fact that that guy I originally quoted clearly didn't know that and felt that it was just a simple solution showed such total ignorance which really f**ked me off. And out of curiosity, I don't entirely follow how the Arabs having a lot of money makes a difference to my argument? Rich I felt that your post painted a picture of a poor eskimo guy stood outside his half melted igloo cuddling his children and crying, while American soldiers protect the oil rigs they built there against their wishes I don't think it's like that. I think the eskimos would not think twice about exploiting the pot of gold they are sat on. Of course like us they are a whole bunch of people who will have different views, but greed is a very strong motive. There is the potential to become very rich very quickly like the Saudis, and saying that extracting the oil will turn them into a nation like Iraq or Aufghanistan is unrealistically pessemistic in my opinion! You also point to our greed as being the motive for extracting the oil from these countries. Short of an invasion of the North/South pole by America (not gonna happen), it will be the greed of the inhabitants themselves that sees the oil wells built, not our greed. Edited July 9, 2008 by Extreme_biker0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 (edited) and as for the oil crisis. my main feeling is meh. yes oil is running out, but no its nowhere near as bad as it needs to be, and oil companies arent doing anything to help the situation, as this crisis and rising oil prices, is only making the price of oil go up, and with it there profits go up. theres nothing to stop them putting 10% vegetable oil/bio diesel in at the pumps, it will bring about cleaner vehicles, lower oil consumption through diesel fuel by 10%. and is cheap enough to produce in a bottled state, suitable for human consumption (bear in mind it was 35p a litre 3-4 years ago) the only problem is the supply of it, but as the british farming industry is going down the pan. surely paying them a fair price for rapeseed crop/other vegetable oil producing plants. is the way forward. granted its already happening, but if put onto a much larger scale. also on shortages, due to the demand for metals such as lead and copper, prices for these materials is going through the roof. apparently 16,000,000 new vehicles where sold in america last year. saying an electric motor will need 20kg of copper is fairly conservative. (considering, cars, vans, etc) thats 320,000 tonnes of copper, per year, needed for new vehicles in america alone. can you not see that a few years from now, the price of copper will be sky high, and there will be a shortage for that on the electric vehicles similar story with lead and batteries for these electric cars. Edited July 9, 2008 by trials_punk182 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 The problem with adding vegetable oil is that this will in due course increase the prices of food. That increases the inflation which will among others lead to higher fuel prices... Besides, there's not enough space to "farm" fuel. I'm sorry for you guys, topics like these make me happy that I no longer live in the uk. I'd find it really hard to lead a life knowing that such preposterous taxes are being introduced all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I felt that your post painted a picture of a poor eskimo guy stood outside his half melted igloo cuddling his children and crying, while American soldiers protect the oil rigs they built there against their wishes I don't think it's like that. I think the eskimos would not think twice about exploiting the pot of gold they are sat on. Of course like us they are a whole bunch of people who will have different views, but greed is a very strong motive. There is the potential to become very rich very quickly like the Saudis, and saying that extracting the oil will turn them into a nation like Iraq or Aufghanistan is unrealistically pessemistic in my opinion! You also point to our greed as being the motive for extracting the oil from these countries. Short of an invasion of the North/South pole by America (not gonna happen), it will be the greed of the inhabitants themselves that sees the oil wells built, not our greed. TThe sad thing is that the poor eskimo guy isn't that far from what you just word for word described, and I find that really sad considering the people doing the damage don't realise what they're already doing to some people, or worse, that they don't care. I wouldn't say that arctic nations would end up turning themselves into a nation similar to the Saudi's over oil, I don't honestly think they'd have the power to defend themselves (no standing army, no nuclear or even technical prescence, no real system of government) what I would be worried about is what happens when those treaties are overuled and suddenly the last remaining patch of oil on the face of the earth becomes a free for all battleground for any nation with a powerful enough army. As soon as the pole becomes fair game, the race to control it will ensue and I'd put money on it being hours, not days, before at least six major nations place significant troops on arctic soil (ok, ice...) in the name of oil interests. But my ORIGINAL comment about all this was simply that the guy who originally said all this seemed to be the epitome of the village idiot yelling, "Look pa, we're saved! There be oil under that there ice!" Meh, I think I've lost count of the number of times I've had this discussion now.... Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Erm. Didn't they discover a way to create oil from bacteria? I do recall one of the Mods posting that on a topic like this a while back... Either way, by the time oil 'ceases to exist', I'm sure we'll have something else to work with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathopper Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 (edited) This just makes me think what have got to look forward too in the future, by the looks of this and world events not a fat lot. But I suppose, although I'm highly against it, the evolution from petrol to electrics cars I suppose is the modern day equivlent of back in the 1900, when the motor car was replacing the horse drawn carriage, after all thats what motor cars were orginially designed for just short journeys, and more efficent than the horse. I bet back then there were also people who were against the change. For the same reasons we speak of now. But when this does change I'm sure there will be people who want to keep the petrol car alive, so will undoubtedly live on, like you see now, restorations of older cars and horse drawn carriages. Edited July 10, 2008 by fathopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Erm. Didn't they discover a way to create oil from bacteria? I do recall one of the Mods posting that on a topic like this a while back... I have a feeling that was OBM but yeah i was thinking that. But that article said that to just satisfy the US's needs they'd nee a farm the size of a state (cant remember which one) So considering the UK is much smaller but still has a massive fuel demand....whats that gna be, the size of wales as a fuel processing plant? Can't be, too many mountains !!!' /D, If theres so much oil under the north pole, why dont you go and get it! and from what I know, the north pole is a very minute area, which all compasses point to. The arctic however is much larger Its quite weird reading this actually, because as a student trying to get out of my overdraft my insurance for my car has run out, and Im going to SORN my car this afternoon - Purely because I can't afford to run it, and I can ride to work instead. I guess this whole increase on taxes IS working...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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