D A N N Y Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Hi, all i just wonderd how i could make my brakes better i was doing gaps earlier and my brakes kept slipping and i fell off 3 times in the space of about 10 mins and i just wonderd what are the pros and cons of tar or a grind. Many Regards Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 1st. What pads do you have? 2nd. You may need to bleed your brake. Grind- They wear down pads faster and are needess in the summer/dry times. A brake set up consisting of a smooth rim and the correct pads can be as good as a set up with a grind. When it happens to be wet, they are lifesavers. A grind also impares the life of your rim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D A N N Y Posted June 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) 1st. What pads do you have? 2nd. You may need to bleed your brake. Grind- They wear down pads faster and are needess in the summer/dry times. A brake set up consisting of a smooth rim and the correct pads can be as good as a set up with a grind. When it happens to be wet, they are lifesavers. A grind also impares the life of your rim. I have onza stock pads dont think that helps much and the brakes are fine i dont think they need bleeding can any one recomend some good pads on a smooth rim thanks. Many Regards Danny Edited June 29, 2008 by D A N N Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLeacock™ Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) Coust pads work on any rim. onza citrus were actualy ok on my rim ? With no tar. And neco do a nice pad for smooth Zoo pads are ment to be pritty desent also Edited June 29, 2008 by BenLeacock™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Plaz Spanish Fly pads. Amazing smooth rim pads. Threw me over the handlebars many times! LoL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlet Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Echo pads, smooth rim, and some tar. Also worthwhile investing in a booster if you don't already have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D A N N Y Posted June 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) Plaz Spanish Fly pads. Amazing smooth rim pads. Threw me over the handlebars many times! LoL. Ok you have helped lots thanks Many Regards Danny P.S What are the plazmatic crm's like on a smooth rim ? By the way i am using on back rim so i need somthing that can hold good on the back wheel Edited June 29, 2008 by D A N N Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Echo pads, smooth rim, and some tar. Also worthwhile investing in a booster if you don't already have one. surely when using tar it doesn't really matter what pads you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladd Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Smooth rim, Plaz CRM, Tiny tiny bit off tar, AMAZING lots of bite and hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 surely when using tar it doesn't really matter what pads you use? +1 tar sticks to the pad so if you have tar you dont need to worry that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlet Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 surely when using tar it doesn't really matter what pads you use? To an extent yes, as pretty much any pad grips using tar. However, with Deng pads such as the Echo's I use have quite a tacky feel on a smooth rim without tar (where-as with a harder pad it just slips). Therefore I only need to put a small tad of tar on my rim just give it a bit of lock. When I used standard magura blacks the pads really stuck to the rim, good hold but not good when you want to quickly let the brake off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Ok you have helped lots thanks Many Regards Danny P.S What are the plazmatic crm's like on a smooth rim ? By the way i am using on back rim so i need somthing that can hold good on the back wheel They're quite good, Not as good as Spanish Flys though. As they are amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewoomaster Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I am runinng Snowes pads on my smooth rim, seem to hold vvery well bite is sweet to there abit loud sometimes though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 neco reds, tiny tiny tiny bit of tar one side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ. Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 rock green pads worked on smoothish rims for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 A brake set up consisting of a smooth rim and the correct pads can be as good as a set up with a grind. I don't agree with that. You can get good braking on a smooth rim but for a brake which relies on friction, a grind will always improve performance. And as mentioned above, Cousts are great for smooth rims even though they're super hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOBY-E Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) Ok you have helped lots thanks Many Regards Danny P.S What are the plazmatic crm's like on a smooth rim ? By the way i am using on back rim so i need somthing that can hold good on the back wheel yea get some crm's they are awsome on a smooth rim even without tar. edit: wrong danny haha Edited June 30, 2008 by TOBY-E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo =) Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Cousts are great for smooth rims even though they're super hard. There amazing, but because they were so good at holding on to the rim they ripped out of the backings and yeah. i never used tar on them. but that was with rear mounts on the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hI-OOPS-CAPS Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 ive just rekindled my love of tar, and its brilliant. the wheel will never slip no matter how much of the wheel it not on a wall/how far you hang off. it can tolerate a little bit of water, rain etc and i ride natural around rock pools etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Grind- needess in the summer/dry times. Incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Smooth rims are great (I ran one with Rock Green pads for a while) - roll through some damp grass, hit a puddle wrong or cycle in even the lightest of rain and you might as well not have brakes at all. Don't know about anyone else, but that completely ruined my confidence in smooth rims for trials, so I'm now on a harsh grind with Superstar red pads. Loads of noise (Which I'd rather not have) and it holds every time, wet or dry . I don't think grinding really affects rim life unless you do a lot of grinding - I grind my rims possibly 3 times a year (If I'm riding a lot) and still have never replaced a rim through it being worn out. When I used rim brakes for XC I'd wear through the braking surface of a rim in about a year, thanks to the brakes being dragged rather than used to lock the wheels and mud making very good grinding paste. I've only once worn through a trials rim and it took at least 3 or 4 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Incorrect. Ok then IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D A N N Y Posted June 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Thanks all you have all been very helpfull keep the posts coming in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-baby158 Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Just grind your rim and get some neco yellows, there great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkee Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 grind + rock blues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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