JonMack Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 yes well done, know moans about koxx frames getting worse because everyone just accepts the fact that if you buy a koxx frame you will probably snap it.... so many koxx frames have been trashed you would of thought they would of beefed up those areas... but na So you're saying anything produced by Deng never breaks? also couldnt of picked a worse example of bike pics!!!!! the pics you posted just proves how slow monty are with how long it took them to realise that its better to have the top tube and down tube closer together.... deng did this like 3 years ago, monty only changed their design to this this year!!! for past how ever many years all montys have jus looked the same... Why is it better to have them closer together? I'm pretty sure their riders have still been winning comps on that frame? One of the reasons Monty changed to a low top tube is probably because everyone else has done it. Over the last few years their frames have changed, just because they look the same doesnt mean they all ride the same, they've had subtle changes. and who ever said that deng is 'if it aint broken dont fix it' is just plain stupid!!! they bring out all the new ideas first!! and change/modify each part every year! I take that back now, thinking about it, with his freehubs, he took an industry standard system and scrapped it, meaning you have to buy HIS sprockets to go on his hubs, very nice of him to do that. I was talking about the geo of his frames, he may change the shape of them but they all seem to be pretty similar, doesnt matter if you're on a Pure or a Pitbull or an A1 or a Typhoon you're gonna get pretty much the exact same geo. Maybe 1º on the headangle or 2mm on the chainstays. monty and koxx cranks and stuff havnt changed for god knows how many years and they still suck! What about the 231 cranks which IIRC were new last season? i guess koxx has used some pointless carbon and stuff, looks nice but doesnt add anything to the bike... youd be better off jus using thing alu tubing lol and hydroforming.... woopty do, frames dont snap on the down tube anyways thats often... why dont they spend time making the parts that snap better instead of the parts that dont need modifyin lol You can't make claims like that because you haven't ridden them, how do you know it makes no difference to the way the bike rides, carbon has totally different properties to alu, it's not just for saving weight. They haven't hydroformed it because of how or where the frames break, they've done it because it creates a stiffer frame which is also lighter. saying all that, the only that stops me from buying a koxx is theyre the most expensive, weakest and look the most dull... other then that theyre great? I would have said from watching your video what stops you is the fact you're an average TGS rider and Koxx generally produce comp bikes. anyways i thought i made this thread about forks You did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted June 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) So you're saying anything produced by Deng never breaks? no but last twice as long Why is it better to have them closer together? I'm pretty sure their riders have still been winning comps on that frame? One of the reasons Monty changed to a low top tube is probably because everyone else has done it. Over the last few years their frames have changed, just because they look the same doesnt mean they all ride the same, they've had subtle changes. more clearance and lighter, considering theyre comp bikes you would of thought they would of come up with that first if they were as amazing as you make them out to be... I take that back now, thinking about it, with his freehubs, he took an industry standard system and scrapped it, meaning you have to buy HIS sprockets to go on his hubs, very nice of him to do that. I was talking about the geo of his frames, he may change the shape of them but they all seem to be pretty similar, doesnt matter if you're on a Pure or a Pitbull or an A1 or a Typhoon you're gonna get pretty much the exact same geo. Maybe 1º on the headangle or 2mm on the chainstays. probs because hes had a frame with each geo possible and kept the most popular ones hense why about 60% of bikes youll see on a ride are deng What about the 231 cranks which IIRC were new last season? wow ... one set of cranks... and they so plain aswel... jus look like black tensiles..zZzZ now thats what i call inovation just as a comparison, deng brought out like 5 sets and all in diff colours and diff designs and all stronger then any other crank on the market.... You can't make claims like that because you haven't ridden them, how do you know it makes no difference to the way the bike rides, carbon has totally different properties to alu, it's not just for saving weight. yea i have, and iv also worked with carbon and know a lil about it, and know that inserting one carbon tube int gunna do sh!t and on a bike of this kind, one hit to the carbon... crack/s, end of that frame... carbon is just not the right material for trials I would have said from watching your video what stops you is the fact you're an average TGS rider and Koxx generally produce comp bikes. well, funny that as i only ride street once a week up norwich if i cba and the rest of the time i ride natural. and that vid is a year old you goon and bad clips. your old school, im new school... i break stuff like theres no tomorow and have had a million diff parts and makes so im also talking from experience here... your not basicaly, im right your gaay.... go away Edited June 18, 2008 by adrian@eastcoasttrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 deng brought out like 5 sets and all in diff colours.... now thats what i call inovation Wow brilliant. Except you're not actually being sarcastic. I think the phrase is "you fail". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 koxx frames suck deng frames own and have better designs Wow, forum record for the most infuriating wank said in 10 words? Yeah thats total shit man. Really. Show me a picture of a deng frame that weighs less than 1.7kgs when not modified. Alternatively show me a deng frame with hydroforming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 koxx frames suck deng frames own and have better designs look how the pitbul, python and GU have changed then look how much the xtp or monty's have changed..... not much lmao Yes, those really original frames that Deng made from scratch himself. Oh, wait... When Deng first started back making waves here, all of his stuff was almost a direct rip-off of other frames on the market. When other companies come up with a new idea, like CNC'd parts on their frames, surprise surprise - Deng frames have them straight away. I'd be amazed if we don't see a fleet of hydroformed Deng frames before too long. Oh, and regarding the 'best team' bit - don't make me f**king laugh. How is the 'best team' just sponsoring whichever rider the TGS fags are cocksucking most when they release a new video? "Flash in the pan" springs to mind. None of the riding is diverse, it's just the same standard TGS shit. Yes, yes, I'm sure it's fun to do, but if we're talking actual teams, teams that compromise of TGS riders AND world championship winning riders completely dominate. You are aware that the Koxx team pretty much started all the moves that the TGS riders are constantly doing these days? Without Vincent Hermance, Gilles Coust and Giaco Coust (To name but three) 'street' trials wouldn't be the same. Just look at any of their street videos or any of the footage/pics from Koxx days and you'll still see that. They're the best riders in the world. They totally boss natural too, which is a fair bit harder than just doing standard gaps and sidehops to 90degree edges all day long then filming the same shit from 4 different angles, dropping the slow-mo effect on and setting to some godawful hardcore music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Biddle™ Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) Yes, those really original frames that Deng made from scratch himself. Oh, wait... I agree with mark on this one Deng's products have always looked to the same from frames geo's and other components. The only time i have seen him change from other companys when he brought out the echo cnc'd rims and other parts like the old ZOO! bars and brake pads and i cant see why he would change from that to what everyone is making at he moment. I have had a few koxx bikes in my time and i have never had any problems with them at all and to be honest some of dengs products are not that top like his freewheels and freehubs. Mine lasted a month of very light and smooth riding and that was the worst item i have owned on my bike i agree most of his stuff does last but since the 07 range on the ZOO! frames and some of the others it felt like i was riding a barge poll not a bike. How come this came from bent forks to deng bumming Biddle Edited June 18, 2008 by David Biddle™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I also love Deng's rigorous "Give it to the general public" testing system. 'These freehubs are a bit weak, and our team have broken them. Let's see if the public do!' 'These rims flatspot and dent pretty easily, let's see what the public make of them?' (Year after year...) 'These axles on our hubs aren't that great, but let's see if the public break them!' How Deng can continue to fire out what appear to be virtually untested products on a yearly basis is f**king extraordinary. The piss-poor bearings they seem to put in every product they do are also pretty special. How you'd stick with the same supplier despite their product being bollocks is pretty much beyond me. The easy-strip threads on the majority of their earlier frames were a nice touch too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted June 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) blah i jus wanted to argue hahah you are all right, deng does rip off other companies but its fine by me, because then we get affordable strong parts instead of koxx cheese or monty cheese if you want to see how weak there frames are, all chip in and buy me one i gurantee i can crack what eva it is in a month or less and im not even a big rider but not a hydrox because they used really expensive hydroforming in the down tube so i wont be able to crack it at the stays or bb rofl Edited June 18, 2008 by adrian@eastcoasttrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 no but last twice as long My old 2004 XTP had 6 owners before me and is still going strong. Find me an 8 year old Deng frame that has been ridden for that long? more clearance and lighter, considering theyre comp bikes you would of thought they would of come up with that first if they were as amazing as you make them out to be... Well obviously they didn't think it was necessary, otherwise they would have done it sooner. probs because hes had a frame with each geo possible and kept the most popular ones hense why about 60% of bikes youll see on a ride are deng We've been through this, Deng has so many frames being ridden because he has so many brands and is putting out 21 "different" frames a year!! If you add up all the other brands frames then they probably only just come close to that, which means the other 40% is being ridden by them, take away the 20% of the UK scene which are Deng bummers and things start to balance out. wow ... one set of cranks... and they so plain aswel... jus look like black tensiles..zZzZ now thats what i call inovation just as a comparison, deng brought out like 5 sets and all in diff colours and diff designs and all stronger then any other crank on the market.... Proof of that last statement is needed please. You can't just make claims like that man it's f**king ridiculous yea i have, and iv also worked with carbon and know a lil about it, and know that inserting one carbon tube int gunna do sh!t and on a bike of this kind, one hit to the carbon... crack/s, end of that frame... carbon is just not the right material for trials Well they researched it enough to find out that it obviously does have some benefits, they wouldn't have just released it for shits and giggles. well, funny that as i only ride street once a week up norwich if i cba and the rest of the time i ride natural. and that vid is a year old you goon and bad clips. Was the only footage I had to base your riding on. your old school, im new school... i break stuff like theres no tomorow and have had a million diff parts and makes so im also talking from experience here... your not What makes you think that? You say I'm old school yet now I have no experience with parts?! How does that work? basicaly, im right your gaay.... go away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Get some control and be a bit smoother? OOOOOOOOOh, and another thing - remember how Deng frames used to be £100+ more than they are now, but when Zona released the Zip frame that was basically the Python but for a price that actually reflected how much it cost to make, Deng had to slash his prices? He can probably afford to sell his frames for f**k all from the amount of money he made back then, and the amount of money he gets from f**ktards buying whatever new shit he puts out 'cos it's colourful and it'll go with their bikes now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 blah i jus wanted to argue hahah you are all right, deng does rip off other companies but its fine by me, because then we get affordable strong parts instead of koxx cheese or monty cheese if you want to see how weak there frames are, all chip in and buy me one i gurantee i can crack what eva it is in a month or less and im not even a big rider your just savagely harsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Is it me or are all the east coast trials people tards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Is it me or are all the east coast trials people tards? Lol. I don't know? One of them can gap 9ft! Maybe we should make another topic about it... In answer to your question - Yes, yes they are. (based on what I've seen on here, terms and conditions apply) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Trials 31 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Haha, I guarantee I've had a shorter stock. It's called an Onza T-Rex, the original style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Biddle™ Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) Is it me or are all the east coast trials people tards? I hope that dosnt include me I used to be a eastcoast trials member back in the day when scott pitcher, stuart broom and jimbo limbo used to ride Im still a trialzrockz member though (hometown trials crew in great yarmouth) Edited June 18, 2008 by David Biddle™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Haha, I guarantee I've had a shorter stock. It's called an Onza T-Rex, the original style. Nominate: Orange Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 One of them can gap 9ft! Maybe we should make another topic about it... No he can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Get some control and be a bit smoother? OOOOOOOOOh, and another thing - remember how Deng frames used to be £100+ more than they are now, but when Zona released the Zip frame that was basically the Python but for a price that actually reflected how much it cost to make, Deng had to slash his prices? He can probably afford to sell his frames for f**k all from the amount of money he made back then, and the amount of money he gets from f**ktards buying whatever new shit he puts out 'cos it's colourful and it'll go with their bikes now... havent read the topic at all fully and realy dont want to argue .. haha, deng dropped the prices because he changed the manufactor or somthing, which is why we dont see deng using u6 on his frames nower days. cant see why people get so pissy over his stuff though, i can fully understand what people are saying with the testing and things, but i think he is making a effort to test his next set of products this year and if finally taking into consideration riders veiws. at the end of the day his products are great for the trials rider who cant afford to go buy a 2k koxx or somone who cant afford to have a fully customised bike.. i mean i would love to have pretty much every part on my bike non deng, other than a set of echo urbans and echo cranks, but when ur running a car have bills to pay, i tend to go for the next best thing, which i think the majority of the population of trials riders do. ah well my 10p anyways spellings proberly w**k, get over it untill i install word im affraid hehe Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstein Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Planet X forks rock. Did something similar once with cheap rigids but the steerer bent, Had the same effect though. At first didn't realise and wondered why my foot kept hitting the wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max-t Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Ahh, theres f**k all good on this forum these days. All it is is people complaining, bitchin about eachother,components,companies and who's good at riding. It really is sad that the trials society has developed into such bullshit. I've just read through pretty much all the posts in this thread ( Not to mention a few other topics ) and all i see is people bickering and winging about totally pointless things. And no doubt somebody will quote me and raise an argument with me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted June 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 my front brake has taken another victim... my headset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLeacock™ Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 (edited) Viz forks ! They never seem to break ! Edit: beaten to it by dan ko Edited June 19, 2008 by BenLeacock™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted June 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Is it me or are all the east coast trials people tards? we try our best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 we try our best In this thread alone, you most certainly have and who ever said that deng is 'if it aint broken dont fix it' is just plain stupid!!! they bring out all the new ideas first!! and change/modify each part every year! I'm going to throw a controversial idea out here for a minute and say deng doesn't bring out any new ideas and that onza/tensile bring out the most. Heres my reasoning. Deng brings out new parts, cnc lever blades etc. CNC lever blades is not a new idea, magura did this themselves years before the deng levers were out and other manufacturers have been doing them even longer. Deng produced new DESIGNS for his levers, so just copied the RB length and the idea of cnc'ing everything then releasing it with a slightly different shape and colour. Onza have copied a lot of stuff but they have a shed load of unique ideas. The tensile freehweel, onza mech saver, the dual bodied stem, 30" carbons (poor example), the tensile headset, tensile cranks, the new range of pro frames, the new tensile forks and the new tensile interlocking rear cog set up. Deng brought out the echo 07 rims after the 06's failed so miserably as the public were used for alpha testing. The cnc rims were good, but will never return and the old zoo pads. The echo control was pretty good for its time in being the strongest frame around. Thats still not enough to match onza/tensile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8grumble Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 blah i jus wanted to argue hahah you are all right, deng does rip off other companies but its fine by me, because then we get affordable strong parts instead of koxx cheese or monty cheese if you want to see how weak there frames are, all chip in and buy me one i gurantee i can crack what eva it is in a month or less and im not even a big rider but not a hydrox because they used really expensive hydroforming in the down tube so i wont be able to crack it at the stays or bb rofl seriously, kid... your a f**king idiot! ive been reading your bulshit for 15minutes now... porter, bessel, james b, waddy, stan, ali, plus more... are all riding non deng frames. if there like cheese, how can porter and bessel...(pretty much street riders) be riding them happily with out breaking them? because there good. your just chatting shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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