Danny Kearns Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 all disc only Exactly. Died at disc mount ? I dont think ive seen a broken set of 4 bolt un's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) Exactly. Died at disc mount ? I dont think ive seen a broken set of 4 bolt un's. tell you what danny, you buy me a pair of 4 bolt ones and see if i can break them within the week, if i cant you can have them? Edited June 17, 2008 by Ash-Kennard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 tell you what danny, you buy me a pair of 4 bolt ones and see if i can break them within the week, if i cant you can have them? If i had the money, I'd take you up on that deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Exactly. Died at disc mount ? I dont think ive seen a broken set of 4 bolt un's. Should have been more specific in your "Strongest forks out there" claim then. Something along the lines of "Strongest forks out there, unless you run disc in which case they'll die in a week". You do realise Deng isn't gonna read all your posts and decide to sponsor you? You can promote his products on here all you want but unless you're doing something decent within the riding scene he isn't gonna throw you free stuff. The reason that people like Craig and Neil got sponsored was because at the time they were doing shit very few other people were doing. Now everyone has hopped (see what i did there) on the TGS bandwagon, unless you're f**king good, you're going to get nowhere. If he were to sponsor you it would just end up costing him more money and not going him much good, because you're gonna be trying to go huge all the time, and end up breaking stuff, whereas if you actually practise techniques then slowly but surely you will improve. SHOCK HORROR... It's not all about who can go highest/furthest/biggest/whatever. You're not gonna make a living riding a trials bike. End of. Ride for fun, don't ride to win (unless you're a comp rider, which I know you're not). Also crappy teaser videos don't help anyone. I don't have a problem with you Danny, I just think you need to get your head outta the clouds/Dengs ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abtrials Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 ha glad to see the v is serving well (maybe to well) how come your not using the heatsink red's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Should have been more specific in your "Strongest forks out there" claim then. Something along the lines of "Strongest forks out there, unless you run disc in which case they'll die in a week". You do realise Deng isn't gonna read all your posts and decide to sponsor you? You can promote his products on here all you want but unless you're doing something decent within the riding scene he isn't gonna throw you free stuff. The reason that people like Craig and Neil got sponsored was because at the time they were doing shit very few other people were doing. Now everyone has hopped (see what i did there) on the TGS bandwagon, unless you're f**king good, you're going to get nowhere. If he were to sponsor you it would just end up costing him more money and not going him much good, because you're gonna be trying to go huge all the time, and end up breaking stuff, whereas if you actually practise techniques then slowly but surely you will improve. SHOCK HORROR... It's not all about who can go highest/furthest/biggest/whatever. You're not gonna make a living riding a trials bike. End of. Ride for fun, don't ride to win (unless you're a comp rider, which I know you're not). Also crappy teaser videos don't help anyone. I don't have a problem with you Danny, I just think you need to get your head outta the clouds/Dengs ass. That was bang out of order and blown way out of proportion. Me giving his products a good name is nothing to do with sponsorship. I just damn right know how shit hot some of his stuff is. You can bitch about me all day telling me i'm a Deng bummer, but lets face facts, on average i would guess 65% of the world are riding one of his frames and around 95% have atleast one Deng component, he also has the best team in the world...ses it all to be honest. I actually don't know where that sponsorship shit come from then . Really pissed me off to be honest, I know in the past it's all i ever went on about, But i really couldn't hack a sponsor. 1 - I can't ride for long enough without breaking something and 2 - My attitude on this forums terriable, so i wouldn't do the company much good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 heeeeereeeeee we go, danny just delete the bit about the best team in the world else the weenies are gonna come sue ur arseeeeee. Matx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 he also has the best team in the world...ses it all to be honest. LOL, which team is top of the world atm danny? on average i would guess 65% of the world are riding one of his frames and around 95% have atleast one Deng component, I actually don't know where that actually danny i think thats pretty inaccurate, considering i bet less than 1% of the world even know about bike trials, let alone care about it. although i guess it is pretty accurate for english trials riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) That was bang out of order and blown way out of proportion. Me giving his products a good name is nothing to do with sponsorship. I just damn right know how shit hot some of his stuff is. You can bitch about me all day telling me i'm a Deng bummer, but lets face facts, on average i would guess 65% of the world are riding one of his frames and around 95% have atleast one Deng component, he also has the best team in the world...ses it all to be honest. I actually don't know where that sponsorship shit come from then . Really pissed me off to be honest, I know in the past it's all i ever went on about, But i really couldn't hack a sponsor. 1 - I can't ride for long enough without breaking something and 2 - My attitude on this forums terriable, so i wouldn't do the company much good. Well it's just the last few posts I happened to read from you were all plugging Deng shit. Yeah maybe 65% of people are using his stuff, but that's because he's got a lot more frames out than other companies. Let's see, he's got (going from tarty) Adamant A1 116 Adamant A1 135 Adamant A3 Czar 20" Czar 26" Czar Freetrials Echo Lite Disc Echo Lite Non Disc Echo Team Echo Control 116 Echo Control 135 Echo Pure Gu LE 20" Gu Typhoon 20" Gu ST 20" Gu LE 26" Gu Typhoon 26" Gu ST 26" Zoo Pitbull 116 Zoo Pitbull 135 Zoo Python So just there he's got 21 frames. The fact his products are split over 5 brands doesnt make any difference, because it's all coming from the same dude. I'm sure if Koxx had 4 other sub-companies they would be pushing out 25 "different" frames a year, but as it stands they're putting out about 6, Monty have what... 3 or 4? Deng also has 5 different lines of parts, each comprising shit like Hubs, Boosters, Bars, Cranks, etc. which is obviously going to make him have a bigger share of the market, it doesn't make his products better, just makes them more accessible. I'm not denying that some of it is good, but a lot of it is just catalogue bought shit, seems to me companies like Koxx and Monty actually put a lot of time into protos and geo checks, whereas Deng is of the "if it aint broke don't fix it" mindset. I'd say Koxx has the best team in the world, if you think about it. I don't even know who is on any of Dengs teams, could you name some people for me? Ooh actually I think Damon is on Gu, or something like that, is that right? I see so much of him in pictures and videos on this forum, how stupid of me to forget . He's doing an awesome job of promoting the brand though! Well done Damon! Well yeah pretty much, you've got it spot on, but just seems with all this promotion of Dengs products you're trying to get something out of it. I can honestly say I don't think his products are the best, if I did I wouldn't be posting asking peoples opinons of bars and stem, because i'd just grab an Echo Team stem and Gu bars . Also love how you write off Ash's forks as "faulty" because they broke, yet back up like f**k when he tells you he knows of two other broken sets. Edited June 17, 2008 by Mark King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Also love how you write off Ash's forks as "faulty" because they broke, yet back up like f**k when he tells you he knows of two other broken sets. tbf, i went through 5 deng forks last year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Deng also has 5 different lines of parts, each comprising shit like Hubs, Boosters, Bars, Cranks, etc. which is obviously going to make him have a bigger share of the market, it doesn't make his products better, just makes them more accessible. I'm not denying that some of it is good, but a lot of it is just catalogue bought shit, seems to me companies like Koxx and Monty actually put a lot of time into protos and geo checks, whereas Deng is of the "if it aint broke don't fix it" mindset. Im gonna' have to disagree, Deng has pritty much discontinued all his best stuff. I'll begin: Echo super trial tyres Old style zoo bars Old style zoo pads 04 and 05 pythons 06 Control Old echo team stem Geo. So you can't tell me he use's the term "If it's not broke don't fix it because he changes all his best components" I'd say Koxx has the best team in the world, if you think about it. I don't even know who is on any of Dengs teams, could you name some people for me? Ooh actually I think Damon is on Gu, or something like that, is that right? I see so much of him in pictures and videos on this forum, how stupid of me to forget . He's doing an awesome job of promoting the brand though! Well done Damon! Neil Tunnicliffe Damon Watson Craigleescott Deonn Halliday Cap Matt Awkright And more Well yeah pretty much, you've got it spot on, but just seems with all this promotion of Dengs products you're trying to get something out of it. I can honestly say I don't think his products are the best, if I did I wouldn't be posting asking peoples opinons of bars and stem, because i'd just grab an Echo Team stem and Gu bars . Also love how you write off Ash's forks as "faulty" because they broke, yet back up like f**k when he tells you he knows of two other broken sets. My reason for saying that, I brought my Zoo! Forks for my Control second hand, as ridden by Gaz Meredith before hand, i know Gaz give them a good few months use. These are 4-bolt by the way. And all i every do is front wheel stuff, and im not bragging but its not exactly small, around the region of 43" wheelswaps andf 8ft gaps to front and there still going strong, thats what really confused me about Ash's comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Exactly. I dont think ive seen a broken set of 4 bolt un's. all disc only I wonder why Danny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Disc or Mag ? all disc only Exactly. Died at disc mount ? I dont think ive seen a broken set of 4 bolt un's. tell you what danny, you buy me a pair of 4 bolt ones and see if i can break them within the week, if i cant you can have them? I wonder why Danny? Dan thats why i said it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Im gonna' have to disagree, Deng has pritty much discontinued all his best stuff. I'll begin: Echo super trial tyres Old style zoo bars Old style zoo pads 04 and 05 pythons 06 Control Old echo team stem Geo. So you can't tell me he use's the term "If it's not broke don't fix it because he changes all his best components" Well at the time he obviously didn't think they were the best, did he? Otherwise he probably would have kept them. Plus it's only because you can't get them anymore that people want them so badly. When he releases the '08 Python, even if the geo is exactly the same as the 04 or 05 then there will be complaints and people will say they ride like shit and aren't the same. I can assure you. Neil Tunnicliffe Damon Watson Craigleescott Deonn Halliday Cap Matt Awkright And more I dunno if it's because I don't check the videos forum every 5 minutes, but I haven't seen a video from any of those guys in while, I didn't even know Neil and Craig were still on the team because I hear so little of them. My reason for saying that, I brought my Zoo! Forks for my Control second hand, as ridden by Gaz Meredith before hand, i know Gaz give them a good few months use. These are 4-bolt by the way. And all i every do is front wheel stuff, and im not bragging but its not exactly small, around the region of 43" wheelswaps andf 8ft gaps to front and there still going strong, thats what really confused me about Ash's comment. What else have you used which makes you say they're the strongest forks out there? I assume you're ridden EVERY other pair of forks, and thus can base your claim around that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Echo super trial tyres - the current echo tyres are exactly the same, just without the stripe 04 and 05 pythons - geometry is the same on the new ones? 06 Control - as above? What you probably mean is the design. Yes, the old parts looked nicer but I think that's just because we like things we can't buy and that remind us of when we started riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 That was bang out of order and blown way out of proportion. Me giving his products a good name is nothing to do with sponsorship. I just damn right know how shit hot some of his stuff is. You can bitch about me all day telling me i'm a Deng bummer, but lets face facts, on average i would guess 65% of the world are riding one of his frames and around 95% have atleast one Deng component, he also has the best team in the world...ses it all to be honest. I actually don't know where that sponsorship shit come from then . Really pissed me off to be honest, I know in the past it's all i ever went on about, But i really couldn't hack a sponsor. 1 - I can't ride for long enough without breaking something and 2 - My attitude on this forums terriable, so i wouldn't do the company much good. imo koxx teams better!!! but hey thats my opinion and youll say thats wrong. as I dont bum deng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted June 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 koxx frames suck deng frames own and have better designs look how the pitbul, python and GU have changed then look how much the xtp or monty's have changed..... not much lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 I dunno if it's because I don't check the videos forum every 5 minutes, but I haven't seen a video from any of those guys in while What else have you used which makes you say they're the strongest forks out there? I assume you're ridden EVERY other pair of forks, and thus can base your claim around that? Damon has released a vid this year... And YOU, take blow shit way out of proportion. And you can't argue this until you know for a fact that he hasn't ridden every pair of forks, ok so he probably hasn't, but shut up until you find out if he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroMatt Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 And you can't argue this until you know for a fact that he hasn't ridden every pair of forks, ok so he probably hasn't, but shut up until you find out if he has. Doesnt work like that mate, defies logic that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan@Trials-uk Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Echo super trial tyres - the current echo tyres are exactly the same, just without the stripe 04 and 05 pythons - geometry is the same on the new ones? 06 Control - as above? What you probably mean is the design. Yes, the old parts looked nicer but I think that's just because we like things we can't buy and that remind us of when we started riding. The Supa tyres are different to the new ones. The new ones are harder compound and thicker sidewalls meaning less bounce. I compared the set the other day (We have a set of brand new 20" Supa tyres here:P with the white lines) Back to the topic: The forks, how about the viz forks? haven't had any problems with these in the back year and they're available in Disc + Mag/ Disc only/ Disc and V-Brake, so all combination is there and and available in silver (Polish) and black (Anodized) and white (But only available in disc only for this finish!) Thanks, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Back to the topic: The forks, how about the viz forks? haven't had any problems with these in the back year and they're available in Disc + Mag/ Disc only/ Disc and V-Brake, so all combination is there and and available in silver (Polish) and black (Anodized) and white (But only available in disc only for this finish!) Thanks, Dan I would recomend viz forks also got them with my scond hand bike and they did me well now there with someone else and still going strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 (edited) koxx frames suck deng frames own and have better designs look how the pitbul, python and GU have changed then look how much the xtp or monty's have changed..... not much lmao You may think that, however everyone says they've changed for the worse. You rarely hear people complaining about the Koxx frames getting worse, do you? Also, 2007 2008 Damon has released a vid this year... And YOU, take blow shit way out of proportion. And you can't argue this until you know for a fact that he hasn't ridden every pair of forks, ok so he probably hasn't, but shut up until you find out if he has. Read this: Doesnt work like that mate, defies logic that way. Thanks for backing me up mate. However, I actually do know for a fact he hasn't ridden every single pair of forks, he may have ridden peoples bikes for a few minutes, but you're not gonna snap a set of forks in that time (unless you're very unlucky and they were close to breaking, however when I ride peoples bikes I tend not to try stuff which puts their parts at risk), you need to ride a set of forks for at least a few months to decide which ones are stronger, it's not gonna happen. Edited June 18, 2008 by Mark King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted June 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 You may think that, however everyone says they've changed for the worse. You rarely hear people complaining about the Koxx frames getting worse, do you? Also, 2007 2008 Read this: Thanks for backing me up mate. However, I actually do know for a fact he hasn't ridden every single pair of forks, he may have ridden peoples bikes for a few minutes, but you're not gonna snap a set of forks in that time (unless you're very unlucky and they were close to breaking, however when I ride peoples bikes I tend not to try stuff which puts their parts at risk), you need to ride a set of forks for at least a few months to decide which ones are stronger, it's not gonna happen. yes well done, know moans about koxx frames getting worse because everyone just accepts the fact that if you buy a koxx frame you will probably snap it.... so many koxx frames have been trashed you would of thought they would of beefed up those areas... but na also couldnt of picked a worse example of bike pics!!!!! the pics you posted just proves how slow monty are with how long it took them to realise that its better to have the top tube and down tube closer together.... deng did this like 3 years ago, monty only changed their design to this this year!!! for past how ever many years all montys have jus looked the same... and who ever said that deng is 'if it aint broken dont fix it' is just plain stupid!!! they bring out all the new ideas first!! and change/modify each part every year! monty and koxx cranks and stuff havnt changed for god knows how many years and they still suck! i guess koxx has used some pointless carbon and stuff, looks nice but doesnt add anything to the bike... youd be better off jus using thing alu tubing lol and hydroforming.... woopty do, frames dont snap on the down tube anyways thats often... why dont they spend time making the parts that snap better instead of the parts that dont need modifyin lol saying all that, the only that stops me from buying a koxx is theyre the most expensive, weakest and look the most dull... other then that theyre great? anyways i thought i made this thread about forks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil Jsy Chris Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Haha, looks bad. Im sure it would have been quite a laugh though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgieporgie Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Yeah.... Its fine like that But run the other ones cus theyre even better (just read this thread and all this e-bitching makes me laugh, its so pointless.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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