spartan Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 I have been getting fed up with my vee brakes lately and have decided to go hydraulic. I want to get green stuff to go with my bike (i know im a loser) so i figured that the echo brake comes with the mounts and lever in w/e colour u want. I just wanted to know, are the brakes better then maguras. I have heard that some of them have had leakage issues, is this just with a water bleed? Are the pad prongy things as strong as on the magura, and if you dont use the metal backings can you get a solid feel like you can with a vee brake?? Ive never tried a hydraulic brake so im kinda new, Thanks in advanced, Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sapu Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 the brake has some pro's but i think more cons.a draind of mine boght one and it leacked from brand new and he wasn't the only one y know and the fact that is cnc is not true. the newer model has the slaves cast and personaly i think the lever is the same only has a cnc finish. the piston size is the same as magura 14mm master 16 mm slave so the force is the same as magura.the only thing i consider an advantage with them is that the slaves don't come out so much wich is good with lower frames and also ankle .and you can't compare china with germany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex@Flawless Bikes Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 There should be much better then maggie's but they never seam to be, usally end up leaking. I wouldn't buy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lankyri Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 green magura? mates got some for sale as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddyfox Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 f**king love mine...WD-40 bleed and heatsink cnc'd backings. Never had any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Overall performance wise they are the same as maguras in terms of smooth feel and powerful bite. Echo's may offer slightly better modulation for feathering braking control. if you want value for money and most importantly, peace of mind from the possiblity of owning a brake that becomes defective in its later performing life , then you cant go wrong with maguras . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Echo's may offer slightly better modulation for feathering braking control How do you come up with that Personally, I'd stick with vee But if you have to go hydro - why not trick out a Magura? Like buy a Maggie, then get a 'deng' lever, 'deng'/tensile mounts, any good booster, (if needed) a HEN/74Kingz TPA, CNC'd heatsink backings, good material to go in them, and maybe braided hosing. Now that would be like the best rim brake ever (apart from Avid Ultimates ) !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan Posted June 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 I would do that but i dont want to have to spend like a billion dollars. I just want to switch cuz my vees are pissing me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Like buy a Maggie, £70 then get a 'deng' lever, £10 'deng'/tensile mounts, £15 any good booster, (if needed) £20 a HEN/74Kingz TPA, £7 CNC'd heatsink backings, £20 good material to go in them, £8 £150 in all. So its £15 pounds more than an Echo CNC brake, and a fair bit better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladd Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 (edited) Maggies are £50 from tarty if you dont need mounts or pads and also probz dont need a booster, oh and new metal TPA's from 'dave85 on here £3 Edited June 7, 2008 by Mod-Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceman Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 f**king love mine...WD-40 bleed and heatsink cnc'd backings. Never had any problems. Mine's bled with magura royal blood, and changed to steel braided hose cos the stock one snapped (at the cross-over). Those stock hose have a tendency to snap/break cos they're so thin! Pistons don't come out a lot as compared to hs33. I never had any leaking issues. But the lever area showed signs of corrosion, it's very hot and humid at my side. And I couldn't fit my heatsink cnc backing into the echo slave! I spent so much on the pads only to find it couldn't fit, so I got fed up and swapped it for my friend's hs33. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan Posted June 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 ok if i can run the heatsink red pads then magura it is!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Note: Heatsink CNC pads do not fit into Echo CNC brake systems. Steve has changed something in the design of his backings, none of the CNC pads I have in stock fit. The pair I have on my bike fits perfectly but those backings are about 2 years old. Deng has revised the Echo brake and says the leaking problems are sorted once and for all. Also as you may have noticed, the new brakes look a bit different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Ok so if the heatsink reds wont fit an echo will they still fit the magura. And Aki at trials pads has the heatsink red pads and their like 25 pounds from heatsink which is like 50 bucks CAD which happens to be a little much for pads. Is there any where else that sells the heatsink reds for less then that in Canada or the USA. And do the backins break the magura pins, ive heard they do and id like to avoid that if possible. Thanks guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceman Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Ok so if the heatsink reds wont fit an echo will they still fit the magura. And Aki at trials pads has the heatsink red pads and their like 25 pounds from heatsink which is like 50 bucks CAD which happens to be a little much for pads. Is there any where else that sells the heatsink reds for less then that in Canada or the USA. And do the backins break the magura pins, ive heard they do and id like to avoid that if possible. Thanks guys. Yes the heatsink reds will fit in a magura. I'm using the heatsink cnc backing with magura now. I guess all heatsink pads are sold at the same price. (I just compared with trials-uk, not sure which other shops sell them.) I bought the coust cnc pads, which are about 90 singapore dollars. It was really very expensive, but I wouldn't want to compromise on the braking (that's very important in trials right?) I can say it's worth the money, given that people at my side spend over a hundred bucks for pedals. As for that magura 'pin', I was equally as worried when I used the cnc backings. Did a search and most said such breaking/snapping problems were caused by the older rimjam rather that heatsink ones. However, someone broke/snapped his magura pin lately with heatsink cnc backings. Then there were cases where people also break/snap the pins off even with normal plastic backings. So the verdict was the pin broke/snap off because of fatigue - the braking force of a hs33 is so powerful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Quigley Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I'm using Echo slaves now and they're fine. I got my cnc backings to fit with the cunning use of a file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Ugh "use of file" + "I broke the retaining pins on my echo using CNC backings" = "Maybe not" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 What's actually wrong with your vees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 lol i used to need a spring kit for the ultimate because mine didnt come with. But i managed to make one pretty easy actually once i needed it so i may not buy maggies after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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