Dekes Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I'm going to build a new wheel, and i was thinking of using a shimano saint hub, it's stronger than a hope pro2 and way cheaper than a CK hub. Has anyone ever tried this before? It has 36 eng points which will give me 41.7 eng points at the cranks. I don't care that much about weight cause i'm 105 kg myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 If your sure its stronger than a hope :\ then go for it lol. I doubt itd be able to put up with what a hope/king do though. Matx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_ Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 to be honest Im not 100% about saints, but in general the shimano hubs do not stand up to trials abuse, Yes maybe the shell is stronger (doubt it though) but the internalls will die Im pretty sure of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I may be wrong, but doesn't Lie 'N Reach use a Saint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 If you were getting an XTR hub from the year before last I'd recommend them. They only have 16 engagement points, but lasted for years on my trials bike (Last one ran for abut 3 years, freehub has got stiff in freewheeling now though, rather than the ratchet failing like usually happens shimano hubs). I fitted a new pair of XTR hubs (The 36 point engagement hubs released last year) to my Giant Trance about a year ago and the axle in the rear hub snapped after less than a year's use. Saint's use the same setup for their axles AFAIK, namely an oversized aluminium axle with threads cut at each end for the bearing cones - mine fatigue cracked through the threads of the axle by the drive side bearing cone. I've just finished building a superstar superleggera hub onto the old rim on my trance tonight. This is a 120 engagement hub described in the 'New engagement system' thread from a monthish back... Probably not up to trials use, but a beautifully made and finished. If it's a reliable design for XC I'll tell you in 3 or 4 years ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 No. Just no. Don't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) I may be wrong, but doesn't Lie 'N Reach use a Saint? i think he is sponsored by chris king? and would hope that if he is, then he would ride a king hub EDIT: HE ISNT SPONSORED BY KING. SO MAYBE OLD RYAN RIDES A SAINT HUB. Now i know why he started his manifesto styleee.....cos his shimano hubs cant stand up to numerous hopping! Edited May 30, 2008 by ben_travis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 i think he is sponsored by chris king? and would hope that if he is, then he would ride a king hub EDIT: HE ISNT SPONSORED BY KING. SO MAYBE OLD RYAN RIDES A SAINT HUB. Now i know why he started his manifesto styleee.....cos his shimano hubs cant stand up to numerous hopping! Hmm, I'll look into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Bleech Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I may be wrong, but doesn't Lie 'N Reach use a Saint? Ryan runs a king, unless he has changed recently. I have seen a pic of his shimano'ed up bike with a king on anyway get a hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) I may be wrong, but doesn't Lie 'N Reach use a Saint?Yeah! cause he's sponsored by shimano, they sent him loads free saint, and hone gear. i remember watching one youtube clip where ryan is demoing on a white manifesto rig with saint hone gear, his freewheel skipped twice, and his bb was making creaking noises. Ryan had to keep looking back on his freewheel during the set-up of his run and kept rolling back an forth during trackstands to get a better feel of the engaugement points. hes pobably just one of an unlucky few with some defect gear. but he still runs CK hubs on his older manifesto rigs. Crux dvd he uses saint hubs Edited May 30, 2008 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Not sure how up to date this'll be, but a quick flick through Crux looks like the wrong sort of shape to be a King - too thin? I may easily be wrong mind Snapshot from Crux: Saint: King: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 There's a big difference between a sponsored rider using a part because he's heavily sponsored by the company and the average trials rider using it - remember Hans Rey and his XT V Brakes in Chainspotting? Given Saint hubs are a lot cheaper than Chris King, it seems a little strange that so many people without sponsorship deals still pay out the money for the King hubbery. If you're after a hub with loud, strong engagement that's not Hope and is about Saint money (probably less) try for a Ringle hub instead. Good reviews, though nobody using them for trials: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Reviews...x?ModelID=12048 Reviews for the more expensive hub aren't as good though: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Reviews...x?ModelID=12039 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekes Posted May 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 hmm, I think I'll buy a hope then after all. Does anyone know whether the thread inside the axle for the bolts to go in starts right of the edge or a couple of mm inside? I was thinking of then immediately replacing the hope bolts with other stainless steel M10 bolts with smooth surface near the head of the bolt. This way i don't get ugly thread marks inside my frame dropouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that NBR dude Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Nick Manning ran a saint for a while, and I think he got on fiarly well with it. The internals work in a similar way to the Hopes, not like the Shimano freehub bodies of old. From what I remember his hub lasted ages, and the only reason he got rid of it was the original saint hubs had to have the saint rear mech as well to work, although I think he found a solution/bodge. If you got the money to try it out, give one a go, they seemed really storng, however if you're desperate for a hub or short on cash I would say you are probably best off with a hope purely for the tried and tested confidence you get with it. Very few people ran/run saints, so its a bit of a gamble really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 hmm, I think I'll buy a hope then after all. Does anyone know whether the thread inside the axle for the bolts to go in starts right of the edge or a couple of mm inside? I was thinking of then immediately replacing the hope bolts with other stainless steel M10 bolts with smooth surface near the head of the bolt. This way i don't get ugly thread marks inside my frame dropouts. You wont get a stainless M10 bolt with a 6mm shank unless you get it made specially Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 you can get 8mm ones though...which are a 100x better than hopes ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekes Posted May 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 My idea was to go to the hardware store and look at different length M10 bolts and see which one has a shank of about 7-10 mm and then saw off the excess, so i have like a 30mm bolt with 7-10mm shank. Though the original bolt may be like 200mm long. They usually don't tap the thread all the way through on longer bolts. After a certain length has been reached, the threaded parts of all further bolts will remain the same, whether you have a 300 or 500 mm bolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekes Posted May 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Are the hope pro2 QR axles also threaded on the inside to put in M5 bolts? Such as DMR or VIZ hubs for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam-pantera Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 IN the manifesto you can see that ryan leech is using a chrisking , this is especialy clear when he is riding along the train tracks , also there was some pictures not long ago of a recent demo were ryans bike was photogrpahed with a chrisking . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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