Things Gone From Good To Bad?

[JT!]

I haven't got a great deal to say really, i just think generally chaning topic titles and / or people's posts and leaving a commnets of such nature, closing a topic then running off smugly becuase that person can't reply anymore would be an act of a new member been made a mod. Where it could have just been closed with a brief expenation.

The content of my topic and how i acted in there shouldn't mean it was closed just becuase i missunderstood / disagreed with something, could have just been left to wilt away like the rest of the topics out there. It wasn't breaking any rules untill the mod stepped in and should have recived 4 days suspention for his addition to the content.

Edited May 17, 2008 by JT!

[Synergy]

thats cool as i said im not moaning at people i know being an admin is hard work i just wanted to see other ppls opinions

[JonMack]

*snip*

I think the fact you're so ignorant and stubborn is what made Mark do that, if you had just left it then it would have been fine, instead you insisted on being childish, argumentative and petty, hence it got closed. You seriously need to take a look at the way you act sometimes, most of the time you're fine but posts like that just show how idiotic you can be.

[Mark W]

(Bearing in mind that I have my post set to whatever posts displayed per page, so this is JUST part of what was on P2 of a 2 page topic where the same thing got said over and over...)

JT: Proove it.

Tomm: JT have you read the thread at all? Bulmers is not the same as Magners.

OBM: From what Tomm posted earlier:

JT: Sorry Tomm missed the edit.

There's kind of conflicting statements, on the one froggy posted it clearly stated they're 'made identically'.

OBM: C&C's Magners and Bulmers (<- the Irish one) are identical.

S&N's Bulmers (<- The UK one) isn't the same as Magners, hence them tasting different as anyone with the capacity to taste things could tell you

JT: So what's the difference between the bulmers we have here and the bulmers they have in ireland visually?

OBM: What?

I'd imagine the main difference was that if you ordered a pint of S&N's Bulmers here in the UK, you'd be able to see it. If you ordered a pint of C&C's Bulmers here in the UK you wouldn't?

JT: What's the difference between C&C's Magners and C&C's Bulmers? As in how the packaging looks etc.

OBM: Very little, as the C&C Magners/Bulmers website shows.

JT: Ok, i understand all that now.

But i still think it contains the same stuff. Any differences would be the same reason oj tates different from different batches of oranges, or something like that. Either way no one's going to go into a bar wanting a magners and be dissapointed becuase they only have bulmers.

OBM: You can "think" all you want, you're still wrong. They have different ingredients, hence them tasting different.

That's like saying that chips taste the same as boiled potatoes, 'cos afterall, they're both based from potato. In the same way that coke is different to pepsi, despite them both being carbonated vegetable extract based beverages, there's a difference between Bulmers and Magners. I don't like Bulmers, and although I'm not particularly into Magners, I'll drink it, and have done. If the pub I went to only served Bulmers, I wouldn't have one. There is a difference.

JT: Mark, i've been on this forum a long time you should know how stuborn i am. So you would seriously say you like magners, but don't like bulmers?

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Repeatedly asking the same thing gets really, really annoying. That thread got reported by other people, and even Tomm said he was going to close it as well. It's f**king irritating when you go to the effort of listing information and facts, then someone says "No, I don't think so" or words to that effect, despite the fact they're entirely wrong. You blatantly weren't going to let it 'wilt away' because you appeared to be completely incapable of comprehending the fact that Bulmers and Magners in the UK are different drinks, and as a result, taste different. The rest of the stuff you asked could've been easily worked out by going to one website (The C&C website, where, in their FAQ (which I think was linked to earlier in the thread, but I'm not 100%) it lists the difference quite clearly, but which were also mentioned elsewhere in the topic). Like you said, you're "Stubborn" and didn't want to believe it, and clearly wouldn't. That is why I closed that thread. I wasn't "Running away smugly". In much the same way that you were wrong in that thread, you're completely wrong if you think I feel I've one-upped someone by closing their topics. If I didn't want you to speak any more, I'd just have suspended you for a few hours so I didn't have to read anything more from you, and I'd definitely have closed your thread + suspended you when you bitched about that thread being closed.

[Walleee]

I'd say that most of the mods on here are spot on.

I did however vote that things have changed for the worse. I hadn't seen how JT's topic ended, and didn't find it at all funny when I did read it. The question he asked was something me and a few mates were talking about the other night, so as far as I'm concerned it was a decent topic.

The main reason I voted yes is because topic title's changing is a pain in the arse, I don't subscribe to topics or anything like that, so if a name changes it can be hard to find the topic, yes, you can see popular threads by how many pages they take up but I find it easiest to read the actual topic title. How many times has the photography thread had it's name changed? I'd guess about half a dozen.

I know mods can do what they want, and Danny and Tom can do what they want, but surely the best thing to do is lead by example? If a thread is pissing off a mod, but not breaking the rules, why can't they just withdraw themselves from it and not post? If we all had the power to close topics we simply 'didn't like' I doubt there would be an open topic on the forum.

I'm for rules, but I think it's only fair that they apply to everyone, including mods.

EDIT: it took so long for me to type that I missed jon's and OBM's posts, I don't really care that the thread got closed, but I don't think it's fair that the topic title and last post were changed, like I said above, that's my main annoyance.

Edited May 17, 2008 by Jakers

[Tomm]

Dear Mark, My cat's breath smells like cat food.

Seriously, I don't care about about what cider tastes different any more. Have this picture too:

[Mark W]

The question he asked was something me and a few mates were talking about the other night, so as far as I'm concerned it was a decent topic.

If you are capable of reading, you'd have been able to click on post #14 of that thread, read the Guardian link, think "Ah, so they are different", and that'd be that.

EDIT: Equally, are people really that offended by the fact that I changed the title to "JT can't understand simple concepts" (Not the most offensive thing in the world?), and the way that I took the piss out of him in exactly the same way that I'd taken the piss out of myself one post before it?

[JT!]

I kind of agree with all what you've just said really. If the topic was just closed i would have been a bit anoyed, but it was all the rape and gay crap that pissed me off more than anything.

Anyway, i'm going out for some magners / bulmers teast testing tonight.

[Mark W]

Cool, have fun getting punched in the face if you take up the line of questioning that you did last night with people in a real environment

[Tomm]

I know mods can do what they want, and Danny and Tom can do what they want, but surely the best thing to do is lead by example? If a thread is pissing off a mod, but not breaking the rules, why can't they just withdraw themselves from it and not post? If we all had the power to close topics we simply 'didn't like' I doubt there would be an open topic on the forum.

That's true but I simply don't think any of the mods close topics just because they don't like them. I'll let you into a secret: The 'Post a picture of your girlfriend thread' was dirty, demeaning and just not very nice for a forum that's supposed to be about bikes. It stayed open because a lot of people wanted it open, even though pretty much ALL of the seniors/mods thought that it was wrong. Any one of the mods could have closed it at any point. It only got closed/deleted when someone posted child porn... My point is that the mods don't just go around doing what they want!

The main reason I voted yes is because topic title's changing is a pain in the arse, I don't subscribe to topics or anything like that, so if a name changes it can be hard to find the topic, yes, you can see popular threads by how many pages they take up but I find it easiest to read the actual topic title. How many times has the photography thread had it's name changed? I'd guess about half a dozen.

C'mon, how hard is it to find the Photography thread? It's the one with several hundred pages of replies that always hovers around the top of chit chat. When it gets changed to the Photatography thread, people didn't even notice for the first week. I'm sure more people found it amusing than confusing

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

[Mark W]

Interesting 'fact': Just had a look at the warn log, and there have been over 1,340 reports made (there are 10 per page, and there are 134 pages of it, so it might be slightly under/over) in about a year or so. Bear in mind there's a hell of a lot of stuff that goes unreported too...

[TheCircus]

It's the users that are the problem, not the admin.

I go on other forums alot more, places like neogaf.com you can't even sign up for at the moment, and if your any post you make is crap or just any way you act that annoys the admin, you get banned for life. I think this is a great rule, and it's not hard to read something you have written and ask yourself; is this a valid question? am I giving enough information to answer my question? does what I am saying purvey the feeling that I am a f**ktard?

Me personally, I come on here just to read chit-chat and see how funny 99% of the topics are just because most of the people on here are so egotistical and/or mentally deficient that they cannot perceive the manner in which they present themselves when they try to do anything. Admin can do what they like, and it generally won't make a difference to the forum as a whole. Even if a topic so important as the difference between magners and bulmers or people arguing about sidehops, why does it matter if it gets closed? It makes you look stupid, but you look stupid anyway even if it wasn't closed.

[Mark W]

Re: Charel's post: lol.

[Walleee]

That's true but I simply don't think any of the mods close topics just because they don't like them. I'll let you into a secret: The 'Post a picture of your girlfriend thread' was dirty, demeaning and just not very nice for a forum that's supposed to be about bikes. It stayed open because a lot of people wanted it open, even though pretty much ALL of the seniors/mods thought that it was wrong. Any one of the mods could have closed it at any point. It only got closed/deleted when someone posted child porn... My point is that the mods don't just go around doing what they want!

C'mon, how hard is it to find the Photography thread? It's the one with several hundred pages of replies that always hovers around the top of chit chat. When it gets changed to the Photatography thread, people didn't even notice for the first week. I'm sure more people found it amusing than confusing

Fair enough points Tomm, the photography thread thing isn't such a big issue, and I kinda thought changing the tuck thread to 'the demise of british trials thread' was funny.

Like I said it doesn't make it impossible to find a thread your after, but I'm not on T-F half as much as I used to be, so when I haven't been on for a few days and search for a familiar thread title and nothing comes up, it's a bit annoying, maybe it's to do with my obsession in getting thing done quickly and with a few click's as possible.

It's nothing that would stop me from coming on the forum or anything, at the end of the day I don't really care. Just adding my two pence.

[JT!]

Cool, have fun getting punched in the face if you take up the line of questioning that you did last night with people in a real environment

Not if i buy everyone a pint of each, then they'd agree with me.

[Mark W]

*sigh*

[Tomm]

I'm loling about how funny and inappropriate it would be to just suspend JT for a day, haha.

[Danny Kearns]

Yeah, about the same here.

And Danny, I've tried pretty hard, and all I have is a 40% warn, you are just a dick.

1. Flaming Minimum Penalty - 1 Warning Point

While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts.

So, did he get 20% warning for that. IMO, thats a personal attack...

You yourself admit you're arguementative, other people have flagged up how you've been e-Hard repeatedly on here (Which really f**ks me and a lot of other mods/admin out, and indeed other members), and you're surprised you've got a lot of warnings? The reason you haven't had many recently is that you appear to have actually changed the way you post, and instead of just talking shit on people and threatening people you've actually been pretty decent. Either way, like Tom says, you're one of the only people with 40%+ warn on here, so you're more of an exception to the rule?

One other thing - "Thats the problem with this world, the freedom of speech act has been over-ruled so much."

Freedom of speech, on a forum? You are aware you have no "Right to the freedom of speech" if you're on a forum hosted by someone else, run by someone else, that you agreed to abide by their rules/usage terms prior to joining up?

I have changed my posting and im sure i've read on numerous occasions, good posting and staying out of arguements gets warn removed...Yet i havn't had any removed

[Tomm]

So, did he get 20% warning for that. IMO, thats a personal attack...

Yes, he did.

I have changed my posting and im sure i've read on numerous occasions, good posting and staying out of arguements gets warn removed...Yet i havn't had any removed

I like the new Danny Kearns that knows that if there's one more slip-up, he's gone for good. But yeah, it'll get removed if you keep it up

[Danny Kearns]

Yes, he did.

I like the new Danny Kearns that knows that if there's one more slip-up, he's gone for good. But yeah, it'll get removed if you keep it up

Im a happy man then Im out of here now

[JT!]

*sigh*

Meh.

[Rusevelt]

Well if your refering to world news and current affairs, then yeah things are getting worst. 12 victims of stabbing within the past 5months , increasing numbers of natural disasters every year , social hostility and conflict everywhere , worldwide economy not in the best financial shape .

[Tomm]

I salute whoever changed the topic title

Well if your refering to world news and current affairs...

No, we weren't referring to that at all

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

Well if your refering to world news and current affairs, then yeah things are getting worst. 12 victims of stabbing within the past 5months , increasing numbers of natural disasters every year , social hostility and conflict everywhere , worldwide economy not in the best financial shape .