Views On 08 Echo Lite Disc Frames

[Daniel C]

jus wanting your views on the echo lite disc frames?

[The Duck]

Suck it and see.

[Mike Winton.]

No doubt they will be amazing like every other echo lite.

[Daniel C]

yh i think it will be ok but im not sure on the drop outs on it in my eyes they look abit weak?

[Muel]

Best frames ever produced! For me, it has absolutely perfect geo, everything is middle ground. It's not too short or long, high or low etc. Stiffest frame I have ever owned, pretty light, and cheap as well.

buy one, you'll love it.

I'm talking about the disc and the maggy versions here, I have owned both.

[Daniel C]

Best frames ever produced! For me, it has absolutely perfect geo, everything is middle ground. It's not too short or long, high or low etc. Stiffest frame I have ever owned, pretty light, and cheap as well.

buy one, you'll love it.

I'm talking about the disc and the maggy versions here, I have owned both.

you sound pretty shure on that one lol and you have owned a few so u no lol

its just i am really wanting to go rear disc but i dont like montys as nearly everyone has been snapped and koxx and stuff are 2 dear.

what is a suitable rear disc for one of these that will be strong? as i have an m4 in mind or will that be too strong?

[Sponge]

I disagree on a lot of the points.

I used to have a Lite, a 2006 edition, before they messed it up. Firstly, it's made of 6061, which puts it at a disadvantage to U6 frames (yeah yeah, design plays a major role, but Lites aren't designed well either). The 07/08 magura Lites have serious rear end problems (and look ugly too, tooo damn cramped). For example, Chai was having serious troubles with his rear end because the dropouts are manufactured so they are angled, meaning the wheel doesn't clamp as well as if they were totally flat facing eachother. Plus many have cracked the dropouts on the 07/08 magura frames which are unnecessarily huge as well.

The thing about stiffness... well, theoretically, the Lite shouldn't be a very stiff frame seeing as how the seattube is so damn cramped and low on the 07/08 magura ones especially. It looks ugly, and as you know, generally smaller seattubes= a flexier frame. This is why Pythons used to have those CNC'd sideplates... and also why the 08 GU Typhoons have so much CNC'ing reinforcement to help stiffen the low frame up.

The Lite should be a flexy frame, as Deng explicity described to me in an email. It's a budget option (£20 buys a Lite or Pure in China since they are 6061) with an OKish design. I just hope they can improve them.

The Disc 08 frames don't look too bad to be honest. I FAR prefer them to the 07/08 Magura versions which are the single ugliest mod I've seen in recent years, why the need for such chunky dropouts? I don't mind the disc dropouts in all honesty, at least they are low-profile and have a better weld-contact area than the terrible Magura versions.

Just my opinion, but hey..

[Daniel C]

cheers for that so what as your sayin is stay away from the magura ones and go for the disc one if any?

[Sponge]

Yep, steer well away from the 07/08 Magura versions. They are the worst incarnation of the Lite frame. The 06 mirror-finish one had a decent simple design, as did the first 07 version which was the same as the 06 except it was brushed instead of mirror-finished.

The 08 Discs actually look nice to be honest, I like the dropouts in all honesty. The only thing putting me off is that they are made of 6061

[Muel]

you sound pretty shure on that one lol and you have owned a few so u no lol

its just i am really wanting to go rear disc but i dont like montys as nearly everyone has been snapped and koxx and stuff are 2 dear.

what is a suitable rear disc for one of these that will be strong? as i have an m4 in mind or will that be too strong?

I disagree on a lot of the points.

I used to have a Lite, a 2006 edition, before they messed it up. Firstly, it's made of 6061, which puts it at a disadvantage to U6 frames (yeah yeah, design plays a major role, but Lites aren't designed well either). The 07/08 magura Lites have serious rear end problems (and look ugly too, tooo damn cramped). For example, Chai was having serious troubles with his rear end because the dropouts are manufactured so they are angled, meaning the wheel doesn't clamp as well as if they were totally flat facing eachother. Plus many have cracked the dropouts on the 07/08 magura frames which are unnecessarily huge as well.

The thing about stiffness... well, theoretically, the Lite shouldn't be a very stiff frame seeing as how the seattube is so damn cramped and low on the 07/08 magura ones especially. It looks ugly, and as you know, generally smaller seattubes= a flexier frame. This is why Pythons used to have those CNC'd sideplates... and also why the 08 GU Typhoons have so much CNC'ing reinforcement to help stiffen the low frame up.

The Lite should be a flexy frame, as Deng explicity described to me in an email. It's a budget option (£20 buys a Lite or Pure in China since they are 6061) with an OKish design. I just hope they can improve them.

The Disc 08 frames don't look too bad to be honest. I FAR prefer them to the 07/08 Magura versions which are the single ugliest mod I've seen in recent years, why the need for such chunky dropouts? I don't mind the disc dropouts in all honesty, at least they are low-profile and have a better weld-contact area than the terrible Magura versions.

Just my opinion, but hey..

If you want a really strong, but heavy frame then buy one of the new GU disc frames.

I've owned 3 now, and 06 maggy short, 07 maggy long and an 08 disc long. The 08 has been by far the best so far. If that is all true and they should be very flexy, why aren't they?

I've given my opinoin of them, so I'm not going to argue the side any more, I'm just interested to know.

Also, what is specifically wrong with the design? I don't know how I'd improve it really.

[Sponge]

I wasn't criticising the 08 Disc frames (well, apart from that they'd be better as U6)

The 06 frame came in only one length by the way (but in v-brake and magura versions)

The 07/08 Magura version with the extra cramped design is flawed. From an aesthetic point of view, the dropouts are far too chunky (why did they change it from the moderate ones on the 06 and early 07s?). Some frames have angled dropouts so the wheel doesnt clamp very well as opposed to straight facing dropouts, Chai's bike suffers from this heavily as an example. Plus a fair number have broken the newest Magura Lites, they've mostly cracked at the dropout area after not so long. Plus the seattube on the newest Magura Lites are ridiculously cramped and in theory this means a flexier frame as a side-effect, and there's no CNC'd reinforcement or reinforcement of any sort to help stiffen it. I've spoken to friends in China and plenty have broken the Lites, and some Pures as a matter of fact. Plus Deng did say that he'd concentrate on further improving the design.

That's just the 07/08 magura Lites.

The other Lites are better.

[Muel]

To be fair, my 07 maggy was absolutely brilliant, but I had the 08 disc built up at the same time.

The 08 disc definately rode slightly better, and felt stiffer, so what your saying must be true, I have only heard of one braking so far, but anyway.

if you are not a very heavy rider, then the 08 disc will be fine. Remember the Lite isn't a full on street frame, it is supposed to be more of a natty/techy frame according to the email I got from God Deng.

[Daniel C]

do you think the price is reasonble for what it is?

[Muel]

Yeh I reckon they are well priced for what they are, if you want a DD frame for less than £300, the Lite is probably the best option.

[TheChai]

the angled drop outs arent as big a problem as you put it sponge, i have been able to deal with it fine, the only thing i worry about is the stress it puts on the rear hub, but everything is prefect at the moment. I can get the correct chain tension without much hassle.

i have the 08 magura version, and have also owned the previous one, both were pretty similar imo, apart from the far lower seat tube, which i am guessing made the bike lighter without actually changing the geo much. Used the frame for about 6 months now, and my riding is at its best yet, have put it through a fair but of rampage, but i am not one to do massive drop gaps etc... the worse my bike would probably go through would be a competition. Although at the competition in koxx days, kenichi commented that if he were to need someone to test parts, he would give them

Gonna be using the bike for the hookwoods weekend as well.

i am also very interested in getting my hands on the disk frame, but deng has not been too good with emails. Anyway.. the 08 magura is a fine frame and is probably the strongest frame i have owned, for the money its definitely worth it. especially if ur like me and low on the drop gaps. I dont think you should expect a frame that is meant to be light to deal with big impacts. If u want that get a team i say. Thats the only reason i went for the light, and its suited me perfectly.

my share..x

[chrishayton]

the angled drop outs arent as big a problem as you put it sponge, i have been able to deal with it fine, the only thing i worry about is the stress it puts on the rear hub, but everything is prefect at the moment. I can get the correct chain tension without much hassle.

i have the 08 magura version, and have also owned the previous one, both were pretty similar imo, apart from the far lower seat tube, which i am guessing made the bike lighter without actually changing the geo much. Used the frame for about 6 months now, and my riding is at its best yet, have put it through a fair but of rampage, but i am not one to do massive drop gaps etc... the worse my bike would probably go through would be a competition. Although at the competition in koxx days, kenichi commented that if he were to need someone to test parts, he would give them

Gonna be using the bike for the hookwoods weekend as well.

i am also very interested in getting my hands on the disk frame, but deng has not been too good with emails. Anyway.. the 08 magura is a fine frame and is probably the strongest frame i have owned, for the money its definitely worth it. especially if ur like me and low on the drop gaps. I dont think you should expect a frame that is meant to be light to deal with big impacts. If u want that get a team i say. Thats the only reason i went for the light, and its suited me perfectly.

my share..x

Is yours the long?

I just got a lite (magura long) and have to say it rides great. Not too sure why sponge hates the dropouts, they seem about the same size as all other deng mods

[Daniel C]

cool cool mite just have to purchase a dd one then lol

[Daniel C]

bump

[Muel]

bump

Has your question not been answered by now?

[The Duck]

If only all topics were like this. Except maybe without the two posts above this one.

i.e. Actually have valuable content, and make good reading even if the particular issue doesn't concern you. Jolly good show 'ay chaps?