Simpson Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Basically i ran a Double Disk bike for a few months and the brake was amazing, Had maggie set ups (Heatsink Reds, with a sharp grind) That literally broke your neck everytime you pulled the brake, and made it pretty uncomfortable. BUTGoing back to maggie and having Koxx Greens on a dead grind and having it slip rather alot, but after going out on a ride today and pushing the brake even though it was slipping, i still had massive confidence on it.....Best example i can think of is Steve-O, hes a massive rider but his brakes never ever work! Most of the time i ride the bike its barely enough to lock the wheel on pedal hops! But when he gets on the bike he uses technique to just make it work somehow....So how much are massivly powerfull brakes really needed in trials if your technique is amazing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 i see it this way, you need a decent brake to learn.. but seen as you are always learning and pushing your own boundaries i reacon you need to have a good brake when it goes a bit tits up. thats just my opnion people may see differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 depends on what your doing to be honest, big dropgaps i will want an good brake, sidehops no, taps, no, natty, can be done without Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishy Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Rowan johns? smooth rim with standard pads, can remember at a bristol ride ages ago people saying it was dire. But he's a mint rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale-Hill Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 depends on what your doing to be honest, big dropgaps i will want an good brake, sidehops no, taps, no, natty, can be done withoutWell i need my good brakes for when i do taps Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 depends on what your doing to be honest, big dropgaps i will want an good brake, sidehops no, taps, no, natty, can be done withouti would well rather have a good brake for natty then street any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 yeah, you would like that... but you dont have to, its just easier with good brakesyou dont need brakes to tap lol, chain tension and land high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.E.A.U Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 yeah, you would like that... but you dont have to, its just easier with good brakesyou dont need brakes to tap lol, chain tension and land highthen manual out to your back lol Yes is all i can say its sensible really. i end up not holding the brake some times when i sidehop because i forget lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearded Midget Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 in some cases you dont need a brake. but in several cases they probably save your life. so having a good brake is definatly a must have in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstein Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 As someone who still has lots to learn about trials, I agree with what people say about needing a good brake to learn on, however I recently rode my friends BMX with crap U-brakes and guess what... I could still ride. If I can hop all over the place with U-brakes then there is absolutely no reason a better rider shouldn't be able to still ride well with slighlty worse pads, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic Balls Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 haha...yes..brakes gives me confidence...especially on natural- much more important there i reckon! so much more to go wrong most of the time...and simpson...steve's brakes are bloody mint nowadays adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 You need them to learn, you need them to do big stuff and push your boundaries.Maybe it's just a coincidence but my experience with pro bikes is that none of them had good brakes. In fact, some had absolutely no hold at all.I like riding with slipping brakes but only if I'm not pushing myself. It makes riding more fun, especially if you try doing things brakeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted April 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 and simpson...steve's brakes are bloody mint nowadays really? Im shocked!Im not talking about really shit brakesJust medium/Ok brakes I understand the point about drop gaps though, looked at 1 today with my shit brake and didnt really fancy it...Well i need my good brakes for when i do taps How do you? And why say brakes.....I dont even cover the front when i tap....I can see how you use it if your tapping intending to go right over the top, but usually you should be hitting the top corner.... Pah maybe im talking shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 I do prefer a brake with superior hold when i can get it. It's also nice to have that bite from a maggy with a grind. It's all down to personal preference though. Some people like smooth rims and brakes that can be modulated. Coming back from a brakeless bmx world for many years i don't use the brake much for manuals but wouldn't mind a disk for learning fakie nose manuals as i've been on a vee. So there isn't any real answer to your question i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstein Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 I do prefer a brake with superior hold when i can get it. It's also nice to have that bite from a maggy with a grind. It's all down to personal preference though. Some people like smooth rims and brakes that can be modulated. Coming back from a brakeless bmx world for many years i don't use the brake much for manuals but wouldn't mind a disk for learning fakie nose manuals as i've been on a vee. So there isn't any real answer to your question i guess.A well set up v-brake can quite easily match the power of any disc and can even stop you as well as a reasonably well set up maggie. I have a v front and maggie rear. I have the front maggie, I just prefer v brakes (would use v rear but not enough power with one finger for pedal kicks unless you use something like XT v-brakes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 why do u think people run vees? paaahhh, joking, vees are awsome lol.i like brakes to be really good, cannot ride with brakes what are gash at all, gives me so much more confidence with a decent brake.Matx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trialmil Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 with very good brakes you can make some mistakes without kill yourself.in taps, or sidehops to rear, you can finish hanging of a border.... ant a bad brake wont work.if you do big big gaps, it's easyer to do them with better brakes, I'm afraid to do gaps with my brake like shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 On street, I find that I don't need amazing brakes, but on natty you often have to do moves and quite steep rocks, and then you need amazing brakes. I dunno really, discs work perfect for me, I have no need to touch them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hI-OOPS-CAPS Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 youknow, i think you just know how much to pull the lever depending on gap size etc but you just cant actually think about it when you do it.obviously if you do a big gap youll be turdn yourself and everything will tense up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran@ZSClothing Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 i have never hade a good brake and it has never stoped me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben b Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 i have never hade a good brake and it has never stoped me...you dnt care.and i love a sharp grind and hold i have more trust in my riding and when im doing big stuff.benx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 I need amazing brakes lol I think my life depends on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 Think Rowan's the perfect example of not needing stupidly good brakes to be an awesome rider. I guess good brakes will allow an average rider to keep stuff that probably they really shouldn't be able to, but a good rider can get past poor brakes while still making things. I like to have a solid brake that I know where it's going to bite, but I haven't had a harsh grind for years and hate loud magura's. The rear brake on my Inspired is really quite pants (Onza citrus pads on a very very worn grind) but I can still go up to back on stuff 50 odd inches high without a problem...Edit: However, as Muel said, on natural it definitely helps to have a good, strong brake which you know will work in all conditions. Hence why I use double disc on my Monty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boon racoon Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 As long as they're not so *good* they sound like a fog horn/make you look like a fool when you go down the street and try and stop I'm not bothered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Neal Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 yeah, you would like that... but you dont have to, its just easier with good brakesyou dont need brakes to tap lol, chain tension and land highTechnique does help a lot (see above).For street, a decent brake for gaps and stuff but not for flowy stuff.For natural, you don't always need a good brake (like when going up stuff) but I find it does inspire confidence especially if gapping/dropping and it does help a lot on sloping rocks - like most of the ones round Swansea are.Although if you can ride without a good brake it does help especially when it rains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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