Elliot Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Hey all,got my hands on a CK classic form here (Cheers Danny!) stripped the thing down and I'm well pleased with how clean it is. I intend to put a new drive shell on it as its only got an alloy one, and in the interest of cost reduction I want to keep the bearings out of the alloy one. I got the needle bearings out ok by using long nose pliers opened out to unscrew the bearings from the rotor body, but there are some more bearings in the rotor body that are held in place by a split ring that I just cant get off. Any advise/ideas?Ta,e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Rotor body?Ideally you need the tool but you could get the bearing out with a screw driver and hammer. check the CK website out for the manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Smith Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 (edited) DONT USE A SCREWDRIVER IT WILL F**K UP YOU BEARING use a bit a wood like chop the end of a wooden broom stick or something and then hit it with a hammer oh and on your profile it says you have an mbk t1000 post some pics up for everyone to see Edited April 8, 2008 by ANDY-MBK-RIDER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 im sure hes trying to remove the bearings from inside the drive shell, if you have managed to get the locking ring out, which screw out then the rest of the stuff you can pull out with your fingers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 im sure hes trying to remove the bearings from inside the drive shell, if you have managed to get the locking ring out, which screw out then the rest of the stuff you can pull out with your fingersYou wont get the drive shell bearing out with your fingers. Even with the tool it has a habbit of popping apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted April 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 (edited) Cheers for the responses guys.Ok, so I took off the rotor body and in there is a threaded sleeve that holds on the needle bearings. I removed that sleeve by using some long nose pliers, opening them up and fitting the tips into the grooves and hey presto it unscrewed. Now still in the rotor body is another set of sealed bearings that I cant get out because of the split ring that holds them in place. How do you get off the split ring and remove the bearings that are still in the rotor body? Tried putting the tip of a knife into the split and leavering, and it dont go no where!Ta,e.Edit: as soon as I am happy the ck is run in, with a new rim, spokes, steel rotor body and HD axle I'll get pics up! Edited April 8, 2008 by Elliot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave33 Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 well i can get them out with my fingers, try getting a bit of wood and tapping that with a hammer see if you can push them out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted April 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 well i can get them out with my fingers, try getting a bit of wood and tapping that with a hammer see if you can push them outthere is a split ring infront of them though, and I really dont fancy trying to force bearings past a split ring. I might try leavering apart the ring and at the same time putting a bit of force on the bearings from the other side.Cheers for the idea dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dave33 Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 there is a split ring infront of them though, and I really dont fancy trying to force bearings past a split ring. I might try leavering apart the ring and at the same time putting a bit of force on the bearings from the other side.Cheers for the idea dude.i think that split ring is part of the bearing, its been a while since i removed them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 In all the ones I've stripped, the split ring is part of the bearing, it'll fall to pieces if you get that out. Failing the proper tool, find a socket that'll fit down the hole and gently tap the bearing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 You can get an idea of how everything goes in this Drawing.The only place I've ever seen the split rings on the bearings are in the hubshell bearings not the drive shell bearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted April 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 In all the ones I've stripped, the split ring is part of the bearing, it'll fall to pieces if you get that out. Failing the proper tool, find a socket that'll fit down the hole and gently tap the bearing out.Ah, that makes sense! I'll try a little gentle tapping and then if it doesnt come out I may wuss out and maybe re-think buying a steel rotorbody. I'm bloody glad I didnt get the split ring off now, I'd have ended up with a load of ball bearings in my hand and a bemused look on my face!You can get an idea of how everything goes in this Drawing.The only place I've ever seen the split rings on the bearings are in the hubshell bearings not the drive shell bearing.There is a split ring in the bearings in the rotor body, from what dave85 said it'd be part of the bearings (PHB516 on that diagram) which hold the bearings together. Cheers for the diagram though dude, that really helps!I'll give the socket method a crack then. Cheers guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 To avoid further confusion the part you keep calling a "rotor body" is actually called a driveshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Ah, that makes sense! I'll try a little gentle tapping and then if it doesnt come out I may wuss out and maybe re-think buying a steel rotorbody. I'm bloody glad I didnt get the split ring off now, I'd have ended up with a load of ball bearings in my hand and a bemused look on my face!There is a split ring in the bearings in the rotor body, from what dave85 said it'd be part of the bearings (PHB516 on that diagram) which hold the bearings together. Cheers for the diagram though dude, that really helps!I'll give the socket method a crack then. Cheers guys!The bold bits are not true. lol.The only bearings that should have the split rings are "PHB700 Small rear hubshell bearing" and "PHB515 Large rear hubshell bearing" When looking at these from one side you'll see a stainless steel retainer clip/split ring and from the other side you'll see a nylon carrier for the bearings. The drive shell bearing "PHB516" should not have a split ring on it. You should be able to see the bearings from one side and the nylon carrier from the otherside.Also if you did happen to get the split ring off you would find a rubber seal. The bearings would not fall out all over the place.And as pointed out by Jon Mac its not a rotor body its a drive shell on a king or a freehub on most other hubs. Sorry to be such a geek about it but there's something fishey going on with your hub if its got a split ring in the drive shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted April 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 (edited) The bold bits are not true. lol.The only bearings that should have the split rings are "PHB700 Small rear hubshell bearing" and "PHB515 Large rear hubshell bearing" When looking at these from one side you'll see a stainless steel retainer clip/split ring and from the other side you'll see a nylon carrier for the bearings. The drive shell bearing "PHB516" should not have a split ring on it. You should be able to see the bearings from one side and the nylon carrier from the otherside.Also if you did happen to get the split ring off you would find a rubber seal. The bearings would not fall out all over the place.And as pointed out by Jon Mac its not a rotor body its a drive shell on a king or a freehub on most other hubs. Sorry to be such a geek about it but there's something fishey going on with your hub if its got a split ring in the drive shell.Right, drive shell or freehub, apologise for the confucstion! Christ knows where i pick up my terminology from. I know what I'm holding in my hand, but it makes explaining things a pain in the arse if you can't give the damn thing the right name!I doubt if there really is something fishy going on; its probably my crap powers of description coupled with never having taken a Chris King apart before. I have given all the parts a clean and lube (gt85 and finishline), and now I've stuck the hub on my get-around bike until I'm happy that its not going to skip on me. What I'm going to do is take the thing apart again over the weekend and try removing the bearings (PHB516) out of the drive shell by tapping them with a socket. What I may well do though is take a few photographs and post them up here. I doubt it'll show you guys anything out of the ordinary, but it might at least give me the oppurtunity to learn a bit more about the hub.Cheers again guys for taking the time to explain! Edited April 9, 2008 by Elliot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Yeah feel free to post pics up i'm curious to see this split ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Yeah feel free to post pics up i'm curious to see this split ring....That sounds a bit rude :$ ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted April 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Yeah feel free to post pics up i'm curious to see this split ring.Well typically I went to take the hub apart again all set with camera to take some photos, but I couldn't even get the "needle bearing seal ring" out of the driveshell! Admittedly I only had a pair of long nose pliars to remove the seal ring, rather than the CK tool, but this time I just couldn't get the sucker out. Hey ho, guess I just buy a steel driveshell with the bearings in it cos I cant get these ones out!Cheers for the help anyway guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mehukatti Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) Just buy the Chris King Hub Toolset or borrow it from someone. It is one of the most complex set of special tools for a bike. Why f**k up a high end rear hub.http://www.ridefree.fi/pics/rf450.jpghttp://www.ridefree.fi/pics/rf451.jpg Edited April 17, 2008 by mehukatti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forteh Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Just buy the Chris King Hub Toolset or borrow it from someone. It is one of the most complex set of special tools for a bike. Why f**k up a high end rear hub.http://www.ridefree.fi/pics/rf450.jpghttp://www.ridefree.fi/pics/rf451.jpgAlmost 100 quid for the toolset, nice as they are, its a bit outside of the budget for most people Cheaper to send it to tarty for a service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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