AdamR28 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 If he's on jobseekers then i think he should take the first possible job, be it binman or teacher. If he won't take them, don't give him the benefits.These are my thoughts for everyone, not just this guy.Please don't ever vote.Haha... out of interest, why do you say that? I don't vote btw...I actually share the opinion of 'yoyoyo' - almost anyone can work to some extent (the asian guy doesn't look physically or mentally handicapped in any way?) and if they get the chance to take work I believe they should take it. It is made fairly easy by the government to not take that chance (IMO) but that's another discussion I guess I love the way the whole story was 'bigged up' by the paper though - I'm sure there are many English families living the same way, just they aren't singled out.Edit: And ditto pocketRocketFTW's first paragraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD™ Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Been watching this thread and carefully staying out of it for fear of making the mistake that most people in this thread have done: making myself look a tit through lack of education on the subject. Coherent arguments = I always find conversations like this amusing because so many people have so many different views and there isn't one right answer. But when you get one person providing 2 sides of a multi-faceted arguement then it begins to get a little silly. THINK people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 I actually share the opinion of 'yoyoyo' - almost anyone can work to some extent (the asian guy doesn't look physically or mentally handicapped in any way?) and if they get the chance to take work I believe they should take it. It is made fairly easy by the government to not take that chance (IMO) but that's another discussion I guess I guess the only potential problem with taking the first thing that comes along is that you run the risk of wasting people's talents. Like a lot of immigrant workers work in the NHS doing various jobs, so if they came across with their qualifications in ____ and had to go work on the bins, it'd be a bit of a waste of their much-needed qualifications? I know that's not really how it works, but just saying that instantly taking the first job isn't always a great idea, although it appears that from the jobs I see most migrant workers doing in London, they really do the first job that comes to hand, and often they do jobs that are 'below' most people born in the UK.In his situation, I guess it's just that it really does work out as being more beneficial for him having that many kids, and the benefits they bestow, instead of being an underpaid, over-worked teacher? It's the same as nurses to a large extent, they work incredibly hard for relatively little pay, so if he was a nurse it'd be pretty easy to envisage the same situation occuring again.I have a feeling that they need to review the whole benefits system in the UK, but every time they do it they do them so badly. Their new incentives for the jobseekers setup are generally preeeeeeetty awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sheehan! Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Um...EDIT: And equally, like I said before, immigrants put more back into the UK treasury than they take away, so they're a positive influence on the treasury. Positive = good, not bad.Well actually the send them back home was referring to migrants in general. And thats not racist related, im not like that, its based on the points i made a couple of posts ago. And yeah, imigrants that WORK put money into the treasurey, the ones on the dole dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 You seem to be missing the point I'm making - they're taking into account ALL the immigrants that come into our country (i.e. those who work and those who don't), so even if some immigrants aren't working, they're still not actually a drain on the economy as they're effectively being paid for by the other immigrants who come into the country. I know it's not like they actually pay them off directly through the government, but hopefully you'll see what I mean.With regards your posts that I quoted, you seemed to be making it clear - like with the "If a dog's born in a stable, that doesn't make it a horse" thing that being born in the UK didn't mean anything, specifically in regard to that guy's kids, then you totally changed your tune? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sheehan! Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 You seem to be missing the point I'm making - they're taking into account ALL the immigrants that come into our country (i.e. those who work and those who don't), so even if some immigrants aren't working, they're still not actually a drain on the economy as they're effectively being paid for by the other immigrants who come into the country. I know it's not like they actually pay them off directly through the government, but hopefully you'll see what I mean.With regards your posts that I quoted, you seemed to be making it clear - like with the "If a dog's born in a stable, that doesn't make it a horse" thing that being born in the UK didn't mean anything, specifically in regard to that guy's kids, then you totally changed your tune?Fair enough yeah, but about the kids, i didnt actually read the article fully until a while ago, i saw something about 3 years ago and i thought thats how long his family has been here for. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 I guess the only potential problem with taking the first thing that comes along is that you run the risk of wasting people's talents.Good point, hadn't thought of that However, if Mr X is better qualified than Mr Y to do Mr Y's job, then why not put Mr X in his place and let Mr Y take the lower job? Or Mr Y can train himself up to keep his current job. Possibly a little 'cynical' though...Maybe I'm just a big capitalist at heart, haha? I certainly think people who work hard to get where they are tend to harbour their beliefs on that 'side of the fence' anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 The only problem with switching people around like that is that it's a shitload of hassle having to train people then re-train people to do different jobs. The admin needed to swap people around to match their talent would also probably end up costing a literal shitload too, because as well know, admin = coinage.I see what you're saying though. I'd rather people put some effort in too and helped the country work towards being better, but I find it hard to really say too much about this bearing in mind I'm currently an unemployed student EDIT: I guess my main issue is that the government are the ones who make not having a job a viable lifestyle for some people. People will naturally want maximum reward for minimum effort, so by providing this niche for them, the government are the ones at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Yeah, definitely You student scum People will naturally want maximum reward for minimum effort, so by providing this niche for them, the government are the ones at fault.I guess that is a major issue yeah... although it's tricky to find a good balance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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