What Does Every One Think Of The New Rule Changes?

[mr_malcolm]

reading in mbuk this month that they have changed the rules in competition's so stock and mod riders compete in one class, could make for an interesting year. will be interesting to see who wins it this year.

what does every one else think of these rule changes?

good bad?

[Ali C]

bad enough for me to never do another international BIU comp

[Mike Winton.]

That is a rubbish idea

[Greetings]

Putting aside all the negative aspects of this change, it'll be interesting to see which class wins.

A couple of years ago it would definitely be mod but now stock riders/bikes have progressed so much that in UCI there isn't that much difference.

[the organiser]

To be fair its old news as the UCI have run this rule for the last 5 years as i can think at there EURO championships, its no big deal it just depends on the sections on the day as some are more suited to the bike sizes than others.

So there we go,

Dave

[manuel]

As a non competitor - I have to say I think its a good idea !! I have a question though - could you ride a different bike at every round ? so say a particular course suited mod over stock youd ride that ? and the stock for the rest of the rounds ? would that be allowed or do you have to stick to one or the other ? Im only asking because dont some people compete in both classes ?

[sidehop]

Thats the way it goes in the scottish champianship.

Works well... And its good to see how stock riders and mod riders deal with the sections side by side.

Its a good idea.

[eskimo]

As a non competitor - I have to say I think its a good idea !! I have a question though - could you ride a different bike at every round ? so say a particular course suited mod over stock youd ride that ? and the stock for the rest of the rounds ? would that be allowed or do you have to stick to one or the other ? Im only asking because dont some people compete in both classes ?

I don't think your allowed to even modify the bike even slightly. But i've no idea on the rules since 5 years ago.

[edit]

probably wasn't worth posting then. got i'm bored.

Edited March 23, 2008 by eskimo

[JT!]

bad enough for me to never do another international BIU comp

I'd like to hear more for your opinion as to why.

I've never really been into the competing side of trials, in fact these days I’m not into the riding part either, so I really have no idea what's going on.

I did know that the comp has / had some stick rules that were outdated, like having to have a certain amount of gears etc. Reading MBUK (I wanted the trek socks) I noticed that these rules have been dropped. However, putting mods and stocks together I don't think is such a good idea. Like has been said some sections will be more suited to mods and some to stocks. There's going to be some very pissed off stock riders if the sections can be done easier buy mod riders, and visa-versa.

Too onlookers this wont make a shit but of difference, but for the comp riders it's their progression in the sport that could be jeopardized. Say the riders who come 1st, 2nd and 3rd are all mod riders because the sections tended to be easier for mods (not that it's ever a conscious decision, it's just the way it is) the stock rider who came 4th would have come 1st. People who come 1st get sponcord, people who come 4th don't.

[Billy]

Like a few people have already said, I think it'll be interesting who comes out on top, but I can't help but think its always gonna be a mod rider. I'm probably wrong, but won't it just be a lot easier, in general, on a mod than a stock?

[Conor the basher.]

I have a feeling your aloowed to change anyhitng on the bike apart from the frame .... and yeah shit idea but this is a repost this was posted up agesssssssssssssssssssssssssss ago now.

[Tim/Trialsin USA]

I'd like to hear more for your opinion as to why.

I've never really been into the competing side of trials, in fact these days I’m not into the riding part either, so I really have no idea what's going on.

I did know that the comp has / had some stick rules that were outdated, like having to have a certain amount of gears etc. Reading MBUK (I wanted the trek socks) I noticed that these rules have been dropped. However, putting mods and stocks together I don't think is such a good idea. Like has been said some sections will be more suited to mods and some to stocks. There's going to be some very pissed off stock riders if the sections can be done easier buy mod riders, and visa-versa.

Too onlookers this wont make a shit but of difference, but for the comp riders it's their progression in the sport that could be jeopardized. Say the riders who come 1st, 2nd and 3rd are all mod riders because the sections tended to be easier for mods (not that it's ever a conscious decision, it's just the way it is) the stock rider who came 4th would have come 1st. People who come 1st get sponcord, people who come 4th don't.

We changed to combined classes a few years ago. "Modified" used to mean "not close to normal bike"! and "stock" bike meant it was a mountain bike with little changes. With the dropping of gear rules, and seats and a few other things..... "stock" bikes are now nothing but big wheeled mods. And why would you create a seperate class for that? The final thing that cinched the decision for us, we took the average scores from 5 years of NATS (North American Trials Series)..... you know what the average point difference was for all that time? 1 point. Didn't give the rule change a second thought after that.

I do not know what the BIU rules currently say, but we dumped ALL the technical rules. Does not matter what size or kind of bike you bring.......as long as it is safe. To my way of thinking, it is a real way to get more people involved and bring more innovation to design.

Edited March 24, 2008 by Tim/Trialsin USA

[trials_pimp]

#For those of us who dont read MBUK what was the rule change?

[Revolver]

#For those of us who dont read MBUK what was the rule change?

i think it was allowing stocks and mods in the same category

[NSE]

At U.K. nationals Mod and Stock always rode the same sections, but with awards for both wheel sizes. If you look back through old results and view the scores lost you can see who fits in where and compare who did what on what type of bike, but it has always been mod V mod stock V stock

Up until now Mod and Stock have ridden separate sections at BIU World events with podium positions for each wheel size, UCI remains that way. There are specialists on both bikes, the bikes are different, by joining the wheel size I don’t think your finding the best rider, (there are very good riders on both types of bike), I think your proving which type of bike the course favours.

In my opinion it is impossible to plot a section that does not hold hidden advantages for one wheel size or the other – I don’t agree with the change.

Fred.

[Waynio]

i think it will be interesting.

and i think also that stock bikes/riders are becoming more technically minded riders like mod riders.

Just look at Cesar Canas, he looks as comfortable on his stock as he did his mod, the advantage and disadvantage of Stock Vs Mod is the weight. at the end of the day each rider adapts to his own machine/bike. he rides that bike to the best of his ability. i think blaming a section for not been "set" to specific 20" or 26" is something that is mind over matter.

No matter how good or how bad a rider, you can ride at everything and anything, weather your bike fits in a gap or not or a 20" does and a 26" doesnt, its horses for courses. 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

i think some people wont travel to the worlds as in the top class elite/master they wont acquire a position that they feel happy with because they are down the pegging. this is fair for anyone and everyone who turns up, if you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. i wouldnt care if i rode in a competition that had 30 entrants in master and i came 30th at the end of the day i have took part and put in 100% (or i would have hoped to have done) therefore if iv enjoyed myself and done my best and i came 30th, il take it with a pinch of salt and get on with it.

Wayne.

[JT!]

With the dropping of gear rules, and seats and a few other things..... "stock" bikes are now nothing but big wheeled mods. And why would you create a seperate class for that?

Take some of the riders that show up on the trials-media videos, people who ride stocks, lots of 180's, spins, endos and those weird fakie endo manuals. You see a lot of people riding like that on stock, but hardly ever on mods. Mod and stock are different, they get ridden different, it's so much easier to gap to a rail on a stock than a mod becuase of the larger wheel sise is just one example.

Yes i agree that the line that defines stocks from mods is getting more vague but it's always going to be there untill the day where we can choose our wheel sise from 20", 21", 22"....29". And that's not going to happen anytime soon.

The final thing that cinched the decision for us, we took the average scores from 5 years of NATS (North American Trials Series)..... you know what the average point difference was for all that time? 1 point. Didn't give the rule change a second thought after that.

Averages don't work like that though.

If one year the course was easier for mods by a great deal, and then the year after it was easier for stocks. That would avgerage out, and would appear to be fair, even though it wouldn't be.

I'm not saying i'm right, becuase i don't know wether the difference between mod and stock abilitys is big enough to actually matter. But i still think it's a bad idea.