Rusevelt Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) Yeah he knocked it on during the upshift according to Bono. Not that I care as I didn't want him to be gifted with a win after Verstappen's retirement. Above link of race is fake. My bad not spotting it first time Bottas on a wild pit spin. Edited June 25, 2021 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted July 4, 2021 Report Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) Congrats to Lando on securing 3rd place. Didn't think he would be able to fight it out with Bottas and Hamilton. Power circuits are going be the real test if Mercedes are going backwards. Edited July 4, 2021 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 Quite an eventful GP today I'm surprised to say! Verstappen playing the spoilt brat card seems a bit pointless... "Very disappointed with being taken out like this. The penalty given does not help us and doesn’t do justice to the dangerous move Lewis made on track. Watching the celebrations while still in hospital is disrespectful and unsportsmanlike behavior but we move on" Considering Lewis did exactly the same move on Leclerc later in the race I really don't think he can complain too much. The concept of expecting the world to stop because he's in hospital (largely unsscathed thankfully) is also just crazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncy H Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) It all became a bit of a Karen situation, the two team principals arguing their corners which is understandable but was kinda pathetic to watch? Then Helmut Marcos comments after, what a helmet. Pretty sure I heard him trying to say albons poor performances were down to fernando alonso or something recently… I’d have been able to understand if it was deemed either a racing incident or a penalty as I could see both sides of the story. We want to see racing though and I’m a bit concerned about overly penalising the racing out of the sport. On the other hand I do believe there needs to be a better solution found for the scenario whereby someone is at fault for an accident but manages to continue and the other innocent driver is taken out of the race and will score no points. While I was on the fence here about who was at fault if they do indeed decide to penalise someone it has served no purpose in this situation as Hamilton still managed to go on and win!? Edited July 19, 2021 by Duncy H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Duncy H said: On the other hand I do believe there needs to be a better solution found for the scenario whereby someone is at fault for an accident but manages to continue and the other innocent driver is taken out of the race and will score no points. While I was on the fence here about who was at fault if they do indeed decide to penalise someone it has served no purpose in this situation as Hamilton still managed to go on and win!? That's racing though. Both were at fault- Max could've taken avoiding action to give Lewis a bit more room and Lewis should've realised he was on the dusty side and was likely to suffer some understeer. It's only down to Lewis (and of course the Merc)'s speed that he was able to come back for the win. You would think Max seeing Lewis do the same move on Leclerc but Leclerc giving him some room would shut him up but nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 Booo hooo verstappen… https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdsBg2P2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 15 hours ago, monkeyseemonkeydo said: You would think Max seeing Lewis do the same move on Leclerc but Leclerc giving him some room would shut him up but nope. It does look like both drivers went through copse with that incident in mind and were super conservative. Charles went wide while Lewis stayed on the inside. Neither driver took the actual racing line. Here's a breakdown of the incident from the perspective of a coach: https://youtu.be/I2fn0D2wqko Whoever is to blame, one could expect more from Lewis. I've done my share of competitive driving and can't imagine being go outgoing with my celebrations after sending a competitor into the wall at a potentially life threatening speed. His body language said a lot after the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 On 19/07/2021 at 5:29 AM, Duncy H said: While I was on the fence here about who was at fault if they do indeed decide to penalise someone it has served no purpose in this situation as Hamilton still managed to go on and win!? Masi touched on this after the race - they specifically don't look at the full impact that an incident has had as it would basically make it impossible to find a penalty that 'fits' that isn't totally arbitrary. As an example, if that happened on the first race of the season, the overall impact would be totally different to if it was the title decider at the end of the season. Similarly if it was for P19 rather than P1. That's why they tend to have categories/groupings for incidents and they get penalised within those parameters. Means it isn't perfect, but it's probably the lesser of two evils. On 19/07/2021 at 6:39 AM, monkeyseemonkeydo said: That's racing though. Both were at fault- Max could've taken avoiding action to give Lewis a bit more room and Lewis should've realised he was on the dusty side and was likely to suffer some understeer. It's only down to Lewis (and of course the Merc)'s speed that he was able to come back for the win. You would think Max seeing Lewis do the same move on Leclerc but Leclerc giving him some room would shut him up but nope. There were passes there last year too, and have been before. Lewis could/should have been a little tighter ideally, but it seemed Max properly gave it a turn in and wasn't going to give a huge amount of room either. That's his style though - he's known for being aggressive and essentially using his reputation to make people pull out of moves as they know that he won't back down from it, but that has it's limits. If you're in a title fight, the person fighting you can't just yield every time, and it's also not like it's a right that other drivers have to yield simply because they know you won't. 14 hours ago, Greetings said: Whoever is to blame, one could expect more from Lewis. I've done my share of competitive driving and can't imagine being go outgoing with my celebrations after sending a competitor into the wall at a potentially life threatening speed. His body language said a lot after the race. To be fair to Lewis, he had no idea that Max was in hospital until a bit after the race. He asked if he was OK and was told that Max was out of the car - generally speaking the cars are so safe now that if there are any serious injuries they'd know about it straight away. I don't think it's unreasonable for him to have expected that Max would have been fine. His reaction to being told Max was in hospital certainly looks like he is genuinely surprised by it. I'd also imagine after you've just spent a race driving as hard as you can to try and overcome a sizeable deficit to win your home grand prix you'd probably be operating exclusively on adrenaline by the time you do cross the line, so wouldn't be thinking of the 'optics' of a situation (especially when you're under the assumption everyone else is fine). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 22 hours ago, Greetings said: I've done my share of competitive driving and can't imagine being go outgoing with my celebrations after sending a competitor into the wall at a potentially life threatening speed. His body language said a lot after the race. To be fair though, Lewis coming back from a penalty to take the lead (at the same place as the previous accident) on what, the penultimate lap, at his home grand prix, in front of the biggest crowd since the pandemic hit on the eve of the country coming out of COVID restrictions... I think it's not unexpected that he might be a little excited and in a somewhat celebratory mood. Max just comes off as petulant and I'd also say that Christian Horner being a little bitch about it too is also really quite pathetic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 13 hours ago, monkeyseemonkeydo said: Christian Horner being a little bitch "Horner: "Unacceptable" for F1 team bosses to be allowed to lobby stewards" The same Christian Horner who was 'lobbying stewards' this weekend (his excuse was because Masi told Toto to speak to them), and has done plenty of times in the past. Drive To Survive was interesting in the way that it portrayed Christian vs. Toto as the guy who was winning everything, and the guy who came in and started winning everything. Obviously they're looking for ways of presenting story arcs and narratives for that show, but it does seem kind of true that there is that resentment that Toto swooped in and stopped Christian being the golden child. EDIT: That story keeps on giving: “I saw Toto, who was lobbying the stewards, and I heard he was going there to do it, so I went to make sure that our view was represented,” explained Horner about why he was spotted at the stewards. “I don't think it's right that a team principal should be able to go and lobby the stewards. They should be locked away so that they're not influenced. “For me, it was unacceptable that he had gone up there to lobby the stewards. I wanted to make sure that there was a balanced opinion given, rather than trying to influence pressure on the stewards to make a menial sentence.” Of course you did, Christian. In the same way that you kept going over to Geri Haliwell's place while you were married to tell her that you were a big fan of the Spice Girls. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 40 minutes ago, Mark W said: Of course you did, Christian. In the same way that you kept going over to Geri Haliwell's place while you were married to tell her that you were a big fan of the Spice Girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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monkeyseemonkeydo Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 I don't believe Red Bull and Max are still whinging about Silverstone. Glad the 'new evidence' that RB tried to use has been chucked out and the appeal quashed. Weirdly I'm looking forward to seeing how it will be shown in Drive to Survive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) Race would have been pretty boring if it wasn't the rain. https://youtu.be/a2kkuQS_gXk Masterful defence from Alonso to hold back Hamilton and give breathing space for Ocon to take he first victory. Edited August 1, 2021 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Who on earth would have thought George Russell would finish ahead of Hamilton in Q3. Pretty surely George has cemented his Mercedes seat for 2022. Verstappen on pole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Well that was a bit of a clusterf**k. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) https://youtu.be/_KmFRx4r_-M Looks like it will just a train of F1 cars until they hit the final banked corner. https://youtu.be/w3aSCYIX5XA Leclerc looking rapid especially turn 7 right hander. Edited September 4, 2021 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted September 6, 2021 Report Share Posted September 6, 2021 Bottas moving to Alfa leaves the door open for George Russell... fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted September 6, 2021 Report Share Posted September 6, 2021 Edit: I saw it'd been confirmed, but the post I saw has now been removed so f**k knows...! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted September 6, 2021 Report Share Posted September 6, 2021 It’s a done deal. Russell deserves a decent drive. Would be funny if merc are nowhere next year after all this though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted September 6, 2021 Report Share Posted September 6, 2021 Alfa for Constructors' 2022 innit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted September 6, 2021 Report Share Posted September 6, 2021 After Bottas' little fastest lap shenanigans in the Dutch GP I'd love to see George transfer to Mercedes for the rest of the season but it'll never happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyseemonkeydo Posted September 7, 2021 Report Share Posted September 7, 2021 Finally confirmed for George. Going to be an interesting year for him (and Lewis!) next year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted September 7, 2021 Report Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) Yeah heard it on Radio1 earlier this afternoon. Just hope Mercedes don't use George as a Wingman or number 2 driver in the event Lewis doesn't secure an historic 8th drivers title in 2021 and has to try again in 2022 when the competition field will be wide open. Obviously Lewis would prefer to claim an 8th drivers title on merit but understands that it may come down to team strategy/orders Bottas to do another dive-bomb and take out Verstappen on track. Alex Albon to join Williams 2022 https://youtu.be/WL6j03DZsvg Edited September 8, 2021 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Norris P1, Sainz P2, Russell P3. Hamilton damaged his car but hopefully not enough to start P4. Verstappen down P20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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