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ManxTrialSpaz · October 18, 2009

Well unless i missed it, i certainly saw no visible indication that rubens tyre was deflating or having to slow down after that crazy inside pass by hamilton down the main straight....

To be fair, you heard a radio call telling Rubens to pit because of a puncture which is odd. I'm fairly sure as an F1 driver, he'd know he had a puncture and would be on the radio telling his team to get ready to change a wheel, not the other way round.

Dan Campbell · October 18, 2009

even though the brawn team tactically brought Rubens in for an extra tyre stop he didn't need , all in the name of ensuring the business status i guess...

Well unless i missed it, i certainly saw no visible indication that rubens tyre was deflating or having to slow down after that crazy inside pass by hamilton down the main straight....

Firstly Rubens got a puncture from Hamiltons undertake when Lewis clipped Rubens rear tyre. In addition to that the positions at the time Rubens had to go to the pits meant Jenson was world drivers champion anyway, Rubens puncture and subsequent pit stop were just an unfortunate blow to his race and his bid for 2nd in the championship.

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To be fair, you heard a radio call telling Rubens to pit because of a puncture which is odd. I'm fairly sure as an F1 driver, he'd know he had a puncture and would be on the radio telling his team to get ready to change a wheel, not the other way round.

It's possible Rubens had radioed to ask if there was a problem because he felt there may be an issue but the sensors to tell the drivers crew the tyre pressures are far more sensitive than Rubens could have been after only a couple of corners, they'd have known almost immediately that pressures were dropping.

Edited October 18, 2009 by Dan Campbell

Rusevelt · October 18, 2009

That was my initial thought, that the team used that minor collision/rub as an opportunity to call rubens in for a tyre stop. Rubens was still driving at full speed after hamilton passed him and clearly showing no indication from his driving that he need to pit. Why didnt rubens radio in to the team instead of the other way round? Im still happy for jenson either way. interesting how the live pitstop cameras was cut when ruben drove away so we never got the opporunity to see the damage to the rear tyre.

Edited October 18, 2009 by Rusevelt

JD™ · October 18, 2009

That was my initial thought, that the team used that minor collision/rub as an opportunity to call rubens in for a tyre stop. Rubens was still driving at full speed after hamilton passed him and clearly showing no indication from his driving that he need to pit. Why didnt rubens radio in to the team instead of the other way round? Im still happy for jenson either way.

He did, we just didn't hear it. He complained about vibrations and they radioed back saying that was the cause. You ever heard of slow punctures? Jeez... Always a conspiracy theorist.

Nicely done Jenson.

Dan Campbell · October 18, 2009

That was my initial thought, that the team used that minor collision/rub as an opportunity to call rubens in for a tyre stop. Rubens was still driving at full speed after hamilton passed him and clearly showing no indication from his driving that he need to pit. Why didnt rubens radio in to the team instead of the other way round? Im still happy for jenson either way.

I'll say it again, Rubens position at the time of the puncture would still have allowed Jenson to win the WDC. Rubens having to pit made no difference to that. All it did was mean Rubens is now a couple of points behind Vettel going into the last race so Rubens has to work harder and finish better to achieve 2nd in the WDC. Brawn took no advantage to either driver by bringing Rubens in unnecessarily, in fact it would've been bloody stupid given anything can happen even in the last few laps.

He did, we just didn't hear it. He complained about vibrations and they radioed back saying that was the cause. You ever heard of slow punctures? Jeez... Always a conspiracy theorist.
Nicely done Jenson.

Rubens complained about the vibrations from his front right tyre (iirc) prior to Hamilton clipping him. The team then radioed a few corners in to the lap to inform him of the puncture seemingly caused by Lewis.

Shaun H · October 18, 2009

That was my initial thought, that the team used that minor collision/rub as an opportunity to call rubens in for a tyre stop. Rubens was still driving at full speed after hamilton passed him and clearly showing no indication from his driving that he need to pit. Why didnt rubens radio in to the team instead of the other way round? Im still happy for jenson either way. interesting how the live pitstop cameras was cut when ruben drove away so we never got the opporunity to see the damage to the rear tyre.

Right let's try and SHUT YOU UP... I mean... politely correct you.

I don't know if you were watching the entirety of BBC's coverage but at the beginning there was some discussion over how the BrawnGP team has been split into two camps, one for Rubens and one for Jensen. In case you hadn't noticed the guys on Rubens' side believed fully that they and their driver were gunning for the championship. There was no bias towards either team member in that garage. Plus Ross Brawn is about as professional as it gets so I am 100% sure he would not tolerate any "sabotaging" of either drivers' chances.

So to the instance in question.

As several members have pointed out, as Lewis was overtaking Rubens his right front wing end plate clipped Rubens' left rear tyre. It became apparent to Ruben's race engineers that this impact had caused a slow puncture, probably because they could tell from the pressure sensors in his car that the left rear tyre was losing air. If Rubens thought he could continue without significant loss of time do you REALLY think he would have come in? Not a chance! Winning or even podiuming at Brazil would have meant such a huge amount to him.

So therefore he had to pit to have the tyre changed so he could continue the race safely and at full pace.

And what the hell are you talking about the pit stop cameras cutting? As if the BBC would want to hide the MASSIVE CONSPIRACY you seem to have fabricated for your own entertainment? Considering the tyre wasn't completely flat I imagine the damage wasn't much to look at and was probably a tiny tear (not forgetting these tyres are built as thinly as is safely possible).

Anyway!

Massive congratulations to Jensen for becoming a world champion and a good job done by both him and Rubens on the constructors' championship.

Rusevelt · October 31, 2009

Did anyone see the qualifier earlier today as i only saw the first session where Lewis Hamilton, and Jenson Button were quickest.

LukasMcNeal · October 31, 2009

Did anyone see the qualifier earlier today as i only saw the first session where Lewis Hamilton, and Jenson Button were quickest.

Have you seen the track its well good! And the pitlane tunnel exit thing looks fun!

Rusevelt · November 1, 2009

Congrats to S.Vettel for bagging the win even though L.Hamilton owned the first half of the race until his engine let go. Love the way the light fades from daylight to darkness during the race, and that matrix-style cgi 3D scaling thing of the cars approaching the first corner (during one of the replays) was pretty neat. Nice end to the grand prix season (Y)

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mr_malcolm · November 2, 2009

Just me or have F1 managed to pour millions into yet another oh thats a really pretty track, witch then produces a boring race. They need to start building real tracks again instead of all this formation racing bo**ocks that seems to be popular to build atm.

Muel · November 2, 2009

I agree, the most interesting part of the track was the pit lane! :lol:

AdamR28 · November 2, 2009

Muel · November 2, 2009

I'm kinda hating Maher right now, I did try to get a screenshot when he asked but the race wasn't on the iPlayer yet. He didn't say how close to the camera he was though!

Nice one Joe. (Y)

Rusevelt · November 2, 2009

I was wondering who that photographer was, didn't realise at first glance it was JPM.

Mark W · November 2, 2009

Just me or have F1 managed to pour millions into yet another oh thats a really pretty track, witch then produces a boring race. They need to start building real tracks again instead of all this formation racing bo**ocks that seems to be popular to build atm.

Realistically they need to stop f**king the rules around massively every single year, meaning that the majority of teams have uncompetitive cars for the first part of the season that they then get sorted out. If people are driving cars that aren't as good as they can be, then it's never going to lead to them being able to make the most of over-taking opportunities. The fact you get penalised for causing accidents probably means people pussy out of trying certain moves too.

Either way, it's MotoGP for the passing and F1 for the spectacle, as we all know

Rusevelt · November 18, 2009

Just seen on sky news that Jenson Button is joining Maclaren for 2010 season. I guess Brawn weren't prepared to give jenson his pay demands as world champion, esspecially after the fact he took a pay cut to help team succeed during their debut season. thats gratitude for you.

monkeyseemonkeydo · November 18, 2009

My dad reckons it's the worst move Jenson could make because McLaren revolve around Lewis. I don't think so- I think McLaren are smarter (and fairer) than that and can't wait to see two of the best drivers in the world, with such totally different styles (and both British) fighting it out in equal machinery. Provided the team can put a good car together next season could be pretty damn interesting!

Rusevelt · November 18, 2009

Could agree more, esspecially after the mess team made with Lewis and Alonso.

monkeyseemonkeydo · November 18, 2009

after the mess team made with Lewis and Alonso.

I don't think that was really down to the team though. I just think Alonso's a wanker. Simples.

Joey B · November 18, 2009

Just seen on sky news that Jenson Button is joining Maclaren for 2010 season. I guess Brawn weren't prepared to give jenson his pay demands as world champion, esspecially after the fact he took a pay cut to help team succeed during their debut season. thats gratitude for you.

I think it more to do with the fact that Brawn GP has been bought by Mercedes (now Mercedes GP) and they want German drivers, so British Jenson Button is out.

Skoze · November 18, 2009

QUOTE (Joey B @ Nov 18 2009, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think it more to do with the fact that Brawn GP has been bought by Mercedes (now Mercedes GP) and they want German drivers, so British Jenson Button is out.

That's the one (Y)

Hopefully McLaren can sort their act out and get the cars performing like they were last year, would be nice to have 2 British drivers fighting for the championship next year!