Mr Plod Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Hey guys. Bare with me on this one but I feel it may help...Whilst talking with Synergy about his missing parts I came up with an idea of how we can give both the seller or the buyer more support in a dispute.Basically once a deal has been struck then maybe the seller can pm or email the buyer. In this email will be a list of the item(s) sold and the condition stated as well as a recent picture of the current state of the item. A grand total of the item with postage included can then be added and sent to the buyer. The buyer would then have to maybe tick a box stating that they agree to what has been said and accept the terms and then send the email back to the seller. This could then be the basis of a legally binding contract of some sort thus maybe helping out with any of the disputes we've been having recently e.g. Beau and Synergy and various others...Just an idea really that can be improved upon as I know there is room for improvement. Let me know your thoughts and shoot me down if you like Thanks for looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoNnY__Mc Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Valid idea, so like a receipt in a way??People can still lie and say they haven't received the money etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Valid idea, so like a receipt in a way??People can still lie and say they haven't received the money etc thats where sending recorded delivery works as when they sing you will be able to check they have received it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 also, maybe when the seller's sent the items, they can post a picture of the postage receipt, a picture that's legible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plod Posted March 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Exactly like a receipt... Sort of along the lines of ebay after you've won an item you go through the whole process... Yeah maybe a picture of the money once it's been received or the letter containing it. Also maybe state that all items now have to be sent recorded... For instance, the buyer will have to send the money recorded and a tracking number sent to the seller so they can keep track of it. And the items would then have to be sent out recorded... I for one know that I'd much rather send items recorded just for comfort of mind...Like I said, there's room for improvement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladd Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 When ever the seller sends something they have to keep the reciept so if the item is not there in 2-3 days in the week time, the buyer can ask for a pic of the reciept i always keep mine, just as proof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Too hard to enforce.Just ban people that rip people, like Beau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Hey guys. Bare with me on this one but I feel it may help...Whilst talking with Synergy about his missing parts I came up with an idea of how we can give both the seller or the buyer more support in a dispute.Basically once a deal has been struck then maybe the seller can pm or email the buyer. In this email will be a list of the item(s) sold and the condition stated as well as a recent picture of the current state of the item. A grand total of the item with postage included can then be added and sent to the buyer. The buyer would then have to maybe tick a box stating that they agree to what has been said and accept the terms and then send the email back to the seller. This could then be the basis of a legally binding contract of some sort thus maybe helping out with any of the disputes we've been having recently e.g. Beau and Synergy and various others...Just an idea really that can be improved upon as I know there is room for improvement. Let me know your thoughts and shoot me down if you like Thanks for looking.The high-lighted bit is where it kinda falls down, but yeah, it'd be a good idea I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Griffin Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Too hard to enforce.Just ban people that rip people, like Beau.But they will just make a new account and do the same again, Like Grant Hundley did, 4 accounts i do believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbanPoet Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 How about these:Caveat Emptor and due dilligence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Pretty sure it's the same in the UK. For your proposal to be legally binding: -Both sellers have to be 18 or above-If such things are to be arranged via email, both sides must be in possession of electronic signatures.The problem is that many people on here don't treat selling items seriously. It's their attitude that needs to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 (edited) Pretty sure it's the same in the UK. For your proposal to be legally binding: -Both sellers have to be 18 or above-If such things are to be arranged via email, both sides must be in possession of electronic signatures.The problem is that many people on here don't treat selling items seriously. It's their attitude that needs to change.I think the answer is right there. The thing being the younger generation don't have jobs and expect top range bikes straight off. It doesn't seem like many have to earn there way up the bike standard ladder. Most of 'em don't even apprieciate it. Personnally i would rather go back to having to wait ages for a new part rather than buying what the hell i want, when i want.[edit] plus i didn't have broadband to waste my bloody time on! Edited March 15, 2008 by eskimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_addison Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Thats not entirley true.Iam 15 I have to pay for my bikes and parts my self and uselly the bike shop bills etcAnd i make sure i look after my bikes especially as the cost so much nowadays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 I also pay for all my bikes and I'm not 18. I don't like my parents buying bike stuff for me because when it gets damaged (often) then you've got to explain it to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 in scotland a promise is a legal binding contract and you can take people to court if they break it (doesnt normally happen) but its true i studied law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Owen. Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Im not over 18, and i have my bike full paid for, i work hard for the parts and bits to fix it, no way can anything be done about under 18 buying and selling! I think the idea of a reciept style pm on the forum is a good idea! This way there is obvious proof of the transaction! I think its a good idea, but it wont stop or scare many scammers in my eyes! Good idea though, could work very well! Owen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Pretty sure it's the same in the UK. For your proposal to be legally binding: -Both sellers have to be 18 or above-If such things are to be arranged via email, both sides must be in possession of electronic signatures.The problem is that many people on here don't treat selling items seriously. It's their attitude that needs to change.No. Websites like Ebay want it because they expect you to be mature, grown up, and don't expect you to rip people off. To be fair, a majority of people who rip people off though, are over 18 (except on TF, where they seem to be 15/16). I pay for all my stuff, and I'm under 18. I'm always on time, and never rip people off ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smo™ Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Too hard to enforce.Just ban people that rip people, like Beau.A ban doesn't enforce justice and won't get people their money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.E.A.U Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 another bad topic im in ow dear. Or you could not buy form twats like me who get into shit and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 It'd probably be better all round if you didn't act like a cunt when people were buying stuff from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plod Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) I just put "legally binding" just to act as an enforcement... Obviously it wouldn't be legally binding but if a problem does arrive then the seller or buyer can present their case to the Mods and Admin and then action can be taken where there isn't a valid excuse.... Like I said it'd need to be ironed out but it's just a suggestion and one we can improve upon...And lets not start the slagging one another off game... If you don't have anything to add that is relevant to the topic then simply don't post. I'm fed up of the amount of bollocks that goes on in threads as of late so I'll have none of it here thank you. Edited March 16, 2008 by Gyser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich J Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Think the over 18 part was about entering a legally binding contract, as an adult you need to be 18 to enter a contract. Photos of recipts and stuff emailed to the purchaser is a nice idea, along with recored delivery. Also make sure you chat to the seller/buyer. Make friends its always nicer to be able to talk to someone if theres problems. Just be patient too. And dont jump to conclusions. I.e. I hant recieved stuff im being scammed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 to be honest it's up to the buyer to make sure the person he's dealing with is not going to rip them off. ask around maybe even post a topic asking if anyone has dealt with the person before and what there experience was like. most of the time you can tell right away the people who deal on here often and are sound and the 14 year old kids who sell the stuff then realise they have no way of posting it.if I'm buying something from someone I don't know then i'd be looking to get a landline phone number for them, and a phone number for one of their parents there full address and if they give you a number give them a call and check its the right one. also it's not fair on the seller if the buyer says something like just post it as cheaply as possible and it gets lost, then it's up to the seller to return the money even though they might have wanted to post it recorded or special delivery. i had that happen to me and I wasn't very happy at all.it's up to the buyer to decide who they buy from and obviously some cases can not be avoided but most of the time the buyer can make steps to ensure the seller is sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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