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i like bikes with small wb's and no mate i am not mad of pure money it will be a on-going thing if i do decide to build it, it should be finished by december i am planning on the orange dual disc with white rims but the frame will be very much protected can't wait to see what it will looks like

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so you've just got a new echo lite 08 disc, and you already want a new frame?

whats wrong with you? >.>

EDIT: Your wrong, it's a different user, you are getting confused between the names czarbikes and czartrials. I believe an apology is in order.

Phil

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no its not hydroxx is 990 >_<

didn't realise that the thing is i want a really short bike and something that is shorter than my 221 ti i heard the shorter the wheelbase the easier it is to get up on the back tyre but i am only 5ft

2 i thought i shorter bike would help me learn more

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No-one has owned one yet, and the WB is very, very small short.

I believe someone in Jersey owns the older model.

They look pretty damn sweet, if I knew of anybody who had tested it fully I would have gone for one.

But the maker has done a Deng, the old version had both mounts, not two frame options.

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didn't realise that the thing is i want a really short bike and something that is shorter than my 221 ti i heard the shorter the wheelbase the easier it is to get up on the back tyre but i am only 5ft

2 i thought i shorter bike would help me learn more

Since I went back to a long frame, taps and ups have been much, much easier and I am now able to really push the height I can do.

If you struggling to hop up to the back wheel, you can do two things:

1. Practice more, I know this has been said all the time, but I never used to be able to do it on slanted things, now I'm starting to get strong enough to do it.

2. Lower the gear ratio, I'd put a 13t sprocket on the rear if I were you to make it easier.

If you really are only 5ft tall, then you would benefit from a really short frame, my brother is 5'4" and he rides a T-Lite (985mm), which suits him right down to the ground.

I did have a short Echo, but I'm 5'10" so it's a bit restrictive, the 08 Echo Lite is 1020 so it feels like a short bike should to me.

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Since I went back to a long frame, taps and ups have been much, much easier and I am now able to really push the height I can do.

If you struggling to hop up to the back wheel, you can do two things:

1. Practice more, I know this has been said all the time, but I never used to be able to do it on slanted things, now I'm starting to get strong enough to do it.

2. Lower the gear ratio, I'd put a 13t sprocket on the rear if I were you to make it easier.

If you really are only 5ft tall, then you would benefit from a really short frame, my brother is 5'4" and he rides a T-Lite (985mm), which suits him right down to the ground.

I did have a short Echo, but I'm 5'10" so it's a bit restrictive, the 08 Echo Lite is 1020 so it feels like a short bike should to me.

thanks for the advice i will really think about it but i think the dob frame i am going to go for because the echo lite short is the same wb as my monty ti and i want something a bit shorter i need to ask you something else actually what colour hub would you have with a white rim that looks the best cheers

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thanks for the advice i will really think about it but i think the dob frame i am going to go for because the echo lite short is the same wb as my monty ti and i want something a bit shorter i need to ask you something else actually what colour hub would you have with a white rim that looks the best cheers

I'd say white hubs, white rims, that's what I have and I love it. I think any coloured hub other than black or white look pants.

If you getting the Dob, get the orange one with white wheels, or the white frame with white/black hubs and some nice fluro Try-All rims.

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I'd say white hubs, white rims, that's what I have and I love it. I think any coloured hub other than black or white look pants.

If you getting the Dob, get the orange one with white wheels, or the white frame with white/black hubs and some nice fluro Try-All rims.

cheers muel you're a really good guy and i am really thank full for all you're help i was planning of the orange frame, with white rims which hub though the viz or the 221 ti but i am still going with white and the dob white magnesium rims

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Get the viz hub, I have the 221TI, and although it is a very good, light, strong hub, it's a b*****d to set up because it's designed for the snail cams to go on the outside of the frame, so the disc rotor ends up to far away, so I have got about 4/5mm of spacers between the caliper and the frame.

And me MSN if you want dude, I'm off now but I'll be on later.

el_muelio@hotmail.co.uk

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Get the viz hub, I have the 221TI, and although it is a very good, light, strong hub, it's a b*****d to set up because it's designed for the snail cams to go on the outside of the frame, so the disc rotor ends up to far away, so I have got about 4/5mm of spacers between the caliper and the frame.

And me MSN if you want dude, I'm off now but I'll be on later.

el_muelio@hotmail.co.uk

might be on later but if not i will be out i have added you though

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