Gary.s Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 why not use wd40?thats what i use have done for a few years now with no leaks.works the same as water may even be thinner then water dont quote me on that though!only thing i must add is dont use the stuff out of the can because it just flys out the hose when bleeding use the stuff you get in a big plastic container for refilling the spray bottles you can getGary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Jeff2 said: Quite simple really:Water = brake felt very spongyMagura blood = brake felt less spongy.To suggest the brakes weren't bled properly is a bit of a insult (I was bleeding these brakes and riding trials when some of yous were still in your nappies)It might look like an insult, but i'd personally rather have done something like misbleed a brake than be adamant that i could tell the difference with something that clearly isn't distuinguishable. In order to tell the differences between the two fluids compression limits you'd need a full lab setup and even then the differences are next to nothing. To say you can tell the difference with so many other factors involved is just stupid (not saying you are). The only possible difference is that your seals weren't great and the water, being slightly thinner, was either leaking out or letting air in. What i reckon you might be confused with is the viscosity of the two liquids. Basically the water is easier to push through the system as its not as thick, so you can pull the lever and it gets pushed round faster meaning it seems to pull past the bite point faster. With oil in, the lever puts up more resistance because of the thicker fluid and therefore it takes longer to get to the same point that water does, which might be something you don't pick up on as its happening slower. Even then its only a marginal difference and isn't really ever commented on.The plain and blunt truth is water has a faster response time, doesn't lube the pistons and might freeze in winter. Oil feels slower/heavier at the lever, lubes the pistons and won't freeze. Neither damage the insides of the magura and neither make the brake more powerful or more squidgy than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Krisboats said: "To saIt might look like an insult, but i'd personally rather have done something like misbleed a brake than be adamant that i could tell the difference with something that clearly isn't distuinguishable. y you can tell the difference with so many other factors involved is just stupid (not saying you are). Firstly I never said I could tell the difference, I said it felt more squeegee. (Read the post) "What i reckon you might be confused with is the viscosity of the two liquids. Basically the water is easier to push through the system as its not as thick, so you can pull the lever and it gets pushed round faster meaning it seems to pull past the bite point faster. With oil in, the lever puts up more resistance because of the thicker fluid and therefore it takes longer to get to the same point that water does, which might be something you don't pick up on as its happening slower. Even then its only a marginal difference and isn't really ever commented on"So basically you have just said the the brakes bled with water would feel more squeegee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Jeff2 said: Firstly I never said I could tell the difference, I said it felt more squeegee. (Read the post)Ermmm, thats being able to tell a difference surely? If your convinced ones different to the other then your saying you've noticed a difference? Jeff2 said: So basically you have just said the the brakes bled with water would feel more squeegee!No, same amount of pull, just the oil is so damn thick and clumsy it takes ages to get to full lock. Then even longer to fully release again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invader Zim Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Krisboats said: Ermmm, thats being able to tell a difference surely? If your convinced ones different to the other then your saying you've noticed a difference?No, same amount of pull, just the oil is so damn thick and clumsy it takes ages to get to full lock. Then even longer to fully release again.yeah thats what's happening it feels thick and not that responsive. going to try and bleed them this week if i get the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 (edited) Krisboats said: Ermmm, thats being able to tell a difference surely? If your convinced ones different to the other then your saying you've noticed a difference?No, same amount of pull, just the oil is so damn thick and clumsy it takes ages to get to full lock. Then even longer to fully release again.1.No feel the difference on my bike! not tell the difference if you lined 10 different bikes up in front of me.2.Are you sure your using the correct oil? Or have you not bled them properly, because your maguras shouldn't feel like that when bled properly with oil/magura blood. Edited February 12, 2008 by Jeff2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin C Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Yes its much nicer your brake will releice much faster and it wont be spongey Martin Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANNI BOI Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 ive just done mine and i just used water and aslong as its not to cold where u live atm it will be fine:)in the summer it will b nice as anyway:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloyd GU Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 yes do it .. ! never let me down .. not one'sits easyer and cheaper .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txt2007 Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 El Muelio said: Dude, use the search, there has been more topics about this than I have hairs on my head.If this is a regularly reposted thread shouldn't one of these threads be sticky to prevent any further reposts?Also i am thinking of bleeding my rear hs33 with water but as it's always cold i would defiantly want to put anti freeze in there, but how much anti freeze, what sort of ratio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 txt2007 said: If this is a regularly reposted thread shouldn't one of these threads be sticky to prevent any further reposts?Also i am thinking of bleeding my rear hs33 with water but as it's always cold i would defiantly want to put anti freeze in there, but how much anti freeze, what sort of ratio?No, because that's what the Wiki and the FAQ are for.If we stickied threads like this about normal questions, then we would fill the page with stickies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txt2007 Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 El Muelio said: No, because that's what the Wiki and the FAQ are for. If we stickied threads like this about normal questions, then we would fill the page with stickies. point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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