Invader Zim Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Hi, Ive know a few people now bleeding their hs33's and using water and alittle bit of antifreeze or just water. Is it a good idea to do? Because I'm thinking about doing it, and what the benifit of using water?Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Dude, use the search, there has been more topics about this than I have hairs on my head.Do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onzatrip Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 if you cant find it when you search . i bleed with water i find it the same as bleeding with royal blood but with water it doesnt damage the seals you just got to be careful when its cold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invader Zim Posted February 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 if you cant find it when you search . i bleed with water i find it the same as bleeding with royal blood but with water it doesnt damage the seals you just got to be careful when its coldO, ok thanks for that. Not you but if people going to post "use the search" please dont it was just a harmless question which i didn't know there was alot of talk about so sorry, and i will use the search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 so you don't trust me when i say bleed it with water loldo it in the sink at the cafe by fletchers!:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invader Zim Posted February 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 so you don't trust me when i say bleed it with water loldo it in the sink at the cafe by fletchers!:DSorry Ben i do trust you you ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cai Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Is it a good idea to do? Because I'm thinking about doing it, and what the benifit of using water?Not everyone agrees with water bleeds, they say it doesn't lubricate aswel and so on.But the one major benfit is it feels beutiful! It hits the rim much quicker than oil, and retracts much quicker too! Plus its free and easy to bleed (providing you own a bath/sink). So its a definate from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Owen. Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 I have a lever full of water in my mag (from when i put my rb lever on) and it feels slightly easier to pull, and it easy as p*ss to do! No need to go spending money on fluid all the time! Id deffinately reccomend water bleeds! Ps. please dont take the p*ss outa my bike for once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Sorry Ben i do trust you you ok?yeah am ok nowface is killing megot a 2 cm cut to my left eyean my trials-uk t-hirt is ruined!cheers for the help mate!really appreciate it!thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom jersey Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Yes.not quite sure whybut that made me laugh! :$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeaky Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 yes I have had my brake done with water and a little amount of anti freeze and i like mine i think that it is better done this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil H Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Firstly don't use the search it's cack.I use one and personally think they are a good idea because:- more reactive break as water is less viscous.- easy and quick to bleed when you need it.- Costs no money atall- No tools are needed to bleed it.Unless you live in Norway or keep your bike in some external place I don't think the antifreeze is necersarry, mine's been going all winter without it.So yes it's a good idea BUT if you have oil now and your brake it fine then leave it that way!Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaceman Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 water is good because of it's low viscosity. my friend tried it a couple of years back, but he mixed it with a little bit of singer oil. that singer oil serves as a form of lubrication.you could also use singer oil or baby oil throughout too, they have about the same viscosity, and viscosity level is also quite low. unfortunately, singer oil will damage your seals.my country is hot and humid, so we need not worry about the water freezing! haha. but the feeling is very good, it's very easy on the levers, response is definitely way faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 O, ok thanks for that. Not you but if people going to post "use the search" please dont it was just a harmless question which i didn't know there was alot of talk about so sorry, and i will use the search Firstly don't use the search it's cack.I use one and personally think they are a good idea because:- more reactive break as water is less viscous.- easy and quick to bleed when you need it.- Costs no money atall- No tools are needed to bleed it.Unless you live in Norway or keep your bike in some external place I don't think the antifreeze is necersarry, mine's been going all winter without it.So yes it's a good idea BUT if you have oil now and your brake it fine then leave it that way!PhilUse the advanced Google search, it's a piece of piss. We get topics like this every week and this question has been answered more times than (insert comparison of your choice here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boswell Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 so you don't trust me when i say bleed it with water loldo it in the sink at the cafe by fletchers!:DHe doesn't have his own sink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 He doesn't have his own sink? he can't do it at work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolfa Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 water is good because of it's low viscosity. my friend tried it a couple of years back, but he mixed it with a little bit of singer oil.What a daft idea... Oil and water will just seperate, use one or the other!? I've always used water, even when I actually used to ride 6 years ago, works a treat for all the reasons already given Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 What a daft idea... Oil and water will just seperate, use one or the other!? I've always used water, even when I actually used to ride 6 years ago, works a treat for all the reasons already given Seeeeee owen, you penis!that's why your lever/brake feels so crap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I tried bleeding mine with water a few years back and ran them like that for a while, yeah it felt great at first, but once the brake bites the lever is very squeegee and pulls in a lot further from the bite point.I personally didn't like the feel, so I wouldn't do it again.Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben John-Hynes Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I tried bleeding mine with water a few years back and ran them like that for a while, yeah it felt great at first, but once the brake bites the lever is very squeegee and pulls in a lot further from the bite point.I personally didn't like the feel, so I wouldn't do it again.Jeffdid you bleed it properly?as i do them with water and they're really not spongy at all!feel well nice!Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Yes, they were defiantly bled properly, when I re-bled them with oil the problem had gone.About three other guy's I ride with had tried them with water and all found them the same as I had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I can honestly say that in all my time on here i can't recall someone ever stating that they're able to tell the difference between the compression rates of two liquids, especially through a brake. The viscosity of the fluids is more obvious, but the levels of compression between two liquids being notable by your index finger is a ridiculous statement, one that it would appear you have no knowledge over before making.Lets say for instance you can tell the difference, the differences between them are so rediculously minimal that in order to tell the difference between them for definate you'd need to have a completely solid frame and mount setup. Not the slightest amount of flex is allowed. You'd also need pads that don't compress, obviously the pads will be softer than a shore of 95a so will have a certain amount of squidge to them. Due to the pressure of you pulling the brake your pads will compress which is a visible process (meaning they compress a lot), so in order to tell the microscopic difference between the compression rates of water and oil you'd need to have solid pads, like a block of metal. Theres also the possibility of the backing flexing so to rule that out you'd need a metal backing. The brake would need a perfect bleed both times and with the TPA in exactly the same place to rule out a difference in the lever biting point. If i sat you down with 10 unlabeled identical (aside from some oil bled and some water) brakes and told you to pull each one past the bite point you wouldn't be able to tell me if its a water or an oil bleed based solely on the compression limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark W Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Yes, they were defiantly bled properly, when I re-bled them with oil the problem had gone.About three other guy's I ride with had tried them with water and all found them the same as I had.Generally, unless you flush the system out ridiculously thoroughly (or better still, pump air through them), if you bleed with water you'll need to re-bleed pretty soon after 'cos the residue of the mineral oil mixes with the water and forms a nasty gunk that slows the lever feel down drastically.Other than that, Krisboats has pretty much covered everything. If water feels noticeably more spongy than oil, it's a fault with the bleed, not because you can judge infinitessimally small differences in lever travel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff2 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Quite simple really:Water = brake felt very spongyMagura blood = brake felt less spongy.To suggest the brakes weren't bled properly is a bit of a insult (I was bleeding these brakes and riding trials when some of yous were still in your nappies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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