Rusevelt Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) Stimulating a bit of trials politics here with this topic. just wondering what will be the immediate and long term effects this major economic event will have on the community (US) and industry (THEM)? will materials like aluminium become more expensive to produce/acquire? will retail trials gear become cheaper? post your comments, views, and experiences here. just edited this part to say that 50 billion has been wiped off financial markets. this is not enough to affect the trials market but if its continues, at some point the global economy will affect the nature of the trials industry... Edited March 17, 2008 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT! Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Global what?Anyway, look at onza mod bikes now, you kinda get a bit less for your money becuase of material prices rising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Cox Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 cant tell hes american can you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Cost of alu (for example) is rising because of inflation. Its cheaper to produce aluminium now than it ever was.Bauxite (aluminium ore) is available in huge numbers. When adjusted for inflation, metal prices have dropped significantly over the past 80 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan pixie Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) Peak oil = more cyclists and less cars.More cyclists = more trials riders.It's all good It used to be that if America sneezed the rest of the world cought a cold however the emergence of Russia, China and India has vaccinated us to some extent. A good indicator of this is Opec's change from using the dollar to price a barrel of oil to using a 'basket' of currencies.I'm harping on about oil because it is the one resource that affects all manufacturers and is the key inflation driver that is pushing up the price of aluminium in relation to the buying power of manufacturers, i suspect manufacturers will have to be more inventive to keep their competitive edge which is a good thing. How this affects us is mainly positive because although our frames may weigh a gram or two more for a given price the slow realization that we are using up our natural fuels in the stupidest of ways is getting people out on their bikes more which can only help the trials community.Recycle.Switch to a green energy supplier.Think about what you eat.Leave the car at home (or better don't own one at all).Vote with you wallet, politicians only listen to markets and we are the market.Bit of a rant but hey, it's good to debate this stuff.Edit for typos Edited January 29, 2008 by tartan pixie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Recycle.Switch to a green energy supplier.Think about what you eat.Leave the car at home (or better don't own one at all).Vote with you wallet, politicians only listen to markets and we are the market.Edit for typosWe do recycle.Dunno about that one.I do do that.I don't have one.I can't afford it.f**k going green! China is going to f**k it up for everyone, even though the damage is already doen to a certain extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Don't forget India - their population will be bigger than China's in the next few decades. The real problem has nothing to do with global warming and a lot to do with too many people fighting for a finite amount of resources. The Earth's been a lot warmer and a lot colder and had a crap load more atmospheric CO2 than it currently does or is predicted to due to global warming, so worry about not being able to get the resources you need rather than the weather... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Don't forget India - their population will be bigger than China's in the next few decades. The real problem has nothing to do with global warming and a lot to do with too many people fighting for a finite amount of resources. The Earth's been a lot warmer and a lot colder and had a crap load more atmospheric CO2 than it currently does or is predicted to due to global warming, so worry about not being able to get the resources you need rather than the weather...Theres currently about 1.7 trillion barrels of oil thats in reserves (if you dunno the difference between oil reserves/resources/resource bases take a look). Places like Saudi have huge oil fields that they still havn't told anyone about yet.If you have a f**kton of oil, would you really want the rest of the world knowing about it? Especially the whole Bush causing wars to gain oil dealio. Fossil fuels will NEVER run out, they're being created today. However we're using them so much faster than they're being produced, which is why everyone gets worked up.Current price of a barrel of oil is ~ $100. 5 years ago it was ~$10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomturd Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Fossil fuels will NEVER run out.... However we're using them so much faster than they're being producedErmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason222 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 on that whole global warming crock:global warming is fake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Ermm... ?What are you saying? The point is that if the use of fossil fuels is controlled, they'll never run out. Once the technology is available to make some oil resource bases econimically viable (or the oil price goes up), those resources will be able to be tapped.Oil extraction is about 40% efficient at best (most metal ores being around 95% efficient)This means theres alot more oil left in the ground than people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 on that whole global warming crock:global warming is fakeThats a load of crap, America is another one of the reasons the world's global temperature rising and they know it. They love their 6litre turbo charged pickups to give them up and go green. IMO they make all that up to allow them to carry on living there current, polluting lifestyles.Although all that is a bit hypocritical since we own a Jeep Cherokee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason222 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Thats a load of crap, America is another one of the reasons the world's global temperature rising and they know it....and Al Gore is an american. He's made more money on his 'global warming' campagne than ever could have being president or a senator.Watch that video. It's not made by only americans...it's made by people all over the world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zordon Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Stimulating a bit of trials politics here with this topic. just wondering what will be the immediate and long term effects this major economic event will have on the community (US) and industry (THEM)? will materials like aluminium become more expensive to produce/acquire? will retail trials gear become cheaper? post your comments, views, and experiences here.Wall street goes down - so do the rest of stock exchanges all over the world. Millions of people involved in stock markets (directly and not - e.g., by having any securities) see their money shrink. They realize they cannot afford the current level of spendings. They buy less. The global consumption decreases. The global trade, production, investments, and import/export falls. Companies earn less. They have to reduce the staff and/or lower the wages. Ordinary people earn less. They have less money for their spendings. They give less money to their kids. YOU don't get as much money as you'd wish. YOU cannot afford spending so much on biketrials. Sad but true. Hopefully there are plenty of ways to fix it so don't worry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Oh im not worried , unless i get made redundant like i was from the 1990-91 Gulf War recession . im just wondering if a gobal recession become a reality and the Bank Of England strategically react by slashing interest rates in a panic bid to increase consumer spending, will that mean that high street retailers will make even further jan-feb sales reductions to give themselves a bigger consumer spending time window. i guess that means we should start saving now for the big febuary sales reductions on things like technological products/gadgets, electrical items, clothing, and other bulk-buying personal leisure items. so we could effectively see clearance sales on trials products/gear much sooner than we anticipate . start saving now people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 £2,700,000,000,000 2.7 trillion wiped off share prices worldwide in january 08 alone. doesnt really affect the trials market at this point in time, but for the working class citizens like us, everyone should be very concerned about our spending habits and should start doing as much overtime work as you can get before job losses start happening within the coming months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Jesus I wish you'd stop scaremongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 What happens in a recession? I'm guessing that everybody tries to get hold of as much money as possible and not spend a penny of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomturd Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 What are you saying?Oops missed this. What you said just seemed to contradict itself. If we are using up fossil fuels faster than they're being produced, then they will run out.I guess you could say that they're always being made, and always will be.. then they couldn't possibly run out, but they still wouldn't be able to keep up with demand.Quote have I got news for you"But as a daily mail reader, how will this affect the housing market?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 What happens in a recession? I'm guessing that everybody tries to get hold of as much money as possible and not spend a penny of it.yeah thats the general idea. heavy job loss in the working sector during the 1991 gulf war recession. though were a long way from that phase to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 ?What are you saying? The point is that if the use of fossil fuels is controlled, they'll never run out. Once the technology is available to make some oil resource bases econimically viable (or the oil price goes up), those resources will be able to be tapped.Oil extraction is about 40% efficient at best (most metal ores being around 95% efficient)This means theres alot more oil left in the ground than people think.The problem is people who run the oil are going to get greedy, as soon as they find new ways of drilling they'll take up alot more oil than need be. Who's going to regulate it aswell because thats the kind of shit that starts wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 The problem is people who run the oil are going to get greedy, as soon as they find new ways of drilling they'll take up alot more oil than need be. Who's going to regulate it aswell because thats the kind of shit that starts wars.Yep, you're right.But that means the oil is still around for people to use. The oil companies are gonna own the oil, and will sell it at an inflated price once we've all become desperate. Oil companies tend to be non-government organisations as they're simply too big and are worth more than many governments combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan pixie Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Most of the biggest shareholders are banks, pension funds and insurance companies so recession is likely to mean your parents pension gets screwed and you have to bail them out. The insurance companies have been some of the fastest movers on global warming as they are the ones who have to pay up when things go wrong and they are already refusing house insurance etc on the basis of sea level rise and other global warming factors - if these kind of people refuse to take your money you know something's up. The image of global warming causing some crazy end of the world scenario is pretty stupid but so is doing nothing, the intergovernmental panel on climate change and new scientist are good if you want to cut through the propaganda.The earth does go through warmer and cooler phases with previous greenhouse periods lasting a mere snip in geological time, like 250,000 years or so, however the cooling process is triggered (in part) by phytoplankton blooms using up all the oxygen in the oceans and increased acidity in the water which kills off sea life while on land decreased drinking water kills off land creatures. This disruption of the food chain is a major part of how the planet returns the carbon (living things) to the earth where it eventually gets stored underground as oil. We should have the technological prowess to get round much of this however accelerating the process is pretty stupid and if people are forced to consume less due to recession then it's because we've previously consumed and populated at a rate that is unsustainable.Oil companies are owned by shareholders and controlled by market demand, i'd wager that most people who feel uncomfortable about the actions of the oil companies don't realize that when you buy an insurance policy, open a bank account or get a pension you have effectively bought a share in an oil company. Their horrific involvement in Nigeria and elsewhere is sanctioned by us and they have autonomy because of the illusion that you are only the small person and can't do anything when in fact we own them. The big institutions are only as foreward thinking as the people who fund them so think financial, think ethical.Guess i'll keep riding my bike and being hopeful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I need to watch the news more often, what global recession? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim/Trialsin USA Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 (edited) This is hilarious.The ammount of CO2 put into the atmosphere by man is not even in the margin of error compared to what is generated naturally.Al Gore is a boob, he had to go international to find an audience that would actually believe him. Carbon credits.....are you freaking kidding me. Look, either your polluting alot or your not... giving someone money for peices of paper ain't going to clean the earth any faster, that I gaurrantee.The thought that government should set the price of a product (i.e. tax the crap out of gas) is abhorrent to me. If it is that bad, ban it...........otherwise don't make up excuses just to take more of my money."we have to tax it alot so people will economize, because it is going to run out". Then let it run out! One thing is certain, mankind tends not to change until they have to. My suggestion: Pull all the taxes off petroleum products so we burn it up faster! If we are going to burn it all anyway (which is logical conclusion by conservationists), why not just burn it faster so we HAVE TO use alternatives?!As for the US being the source of the worlds woes. I did not vote for Bush and think he is a boob, but blame someone else for a while....it gets a little old after a while.There.........Tims unabashed dime store political opinions of the day!...ha, ha, ha. Edited February 14, 2008 by Tim/Trialsin USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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