tartan pixie Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 I'm looking to spend £700ish on my 1st 26" trials bike (inc forks), I'm an experienced mtb'er who's getting into trials after my orange crush opened up the world of urban assault / steeple chasing to me. The problem is that i'm used to hitting things hard and fast so want a frame that will take suspension forks like the rock shox pike, however i'll keep a pair of rigid forks for days when i have a plausible degree of finesse.Can anyone recommend a frame that costs no more than £300 (£150 would be better) and fits the following requirements:>Prefer to buy new (unless i can see before i buy)>Strength is better than weight>Will take pike's or similar mid travel forks (i'll prob have the travel dialled down to 95mm and hardish springs in them)>Neutral/lively geometry for a 5' 10" rider>Seat so low onza could bring out a combined bottom bracket / saddle unitNoting that the man Ashton uses sus forks are the ashton frames made for them?Thanks in advance for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh PWND Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 base £99 at tarty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 czar freetrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 (edited) http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....howtopic=112628I posted quite a bit in your NMC post Jarrod Edited January 26, 2008 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan pixie Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Base £99 has a seat tube double the length of what i'm looking for. It's a constant irritation that cheap items are made artificially rubbish to justify the price of designer goods.Czar looks about spot on if i can find it cheap enough, need to find out the head angle / fork length to figure out what'll hapen with pikes fitted.Jarrod / Pashley 26. Nice bike but not quite what i'm after, thanks anyway mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsy Ben Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 The new Norco? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan pixie Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 The norco site's got some sweet Ryan Leech footage at 1000fps, great tutorial stuff:Ryan Leech Slow MoUnfortunately norco don't seem to show a trials frame only jump/dirt stuff. Maybe you have a frame name i could search? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Tom* Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Norco: http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/trials/manifesto.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 2008 Norco Manifesto frame (designed by Ryan Leech), 2008 Giant STP (design by Jeff Lenosky). both frames are ideal for running from 80-100mm travel. well i dont about running 100mm on the manifesto as it looks a bit slack on the headangle. you sound like a big lad into more streety trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan pixie Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Jarrod, i just looked at the pashley site:Uber cool for trialsIf i can find a king charles spaniel for the basket and still clear a 6 foot landing to flat I will feel like the king. If it has a peasant nav that helps avoid rif raf after dark i'll buy one Thx for the norco / giant info. The seat tube's still longer than in the image in my head but if it's good enough for Leech then maybe....hmm, Designed for suspension but if hero worship blinds you from your imagination then what's the point. I'll keep looking and bear it in mind.Rusevelt, "you sound like a big lad into more streety trials" is slightly right, i'm a 9 1/2 stone featherweight with no common sense and streety stuff is what i'm getting in to. Steeple chase is what brought me there, if you're unfamiliar it's cos it's a rural horsey term but translated into urban bike it means riding to the top of a hill and looking for a landmark then racing your mate to the landmark in the straightest line possible, through gardens, supermarkets and on one memorable occasion debenhams.Disclaimer:Steeple chasing is a rural sport designed for outpacing farmers however in an urban setting the police can and will impound your bike as well as charging you with some made up offence cos they've never seen anything quite like it before. If you can't ride down an escalator with impeccable manners then don't even start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladd Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Base Ta26 Cheap and mint little frames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) Jarrod, i just looked at the pashley site:Uber cool for trialsIf i can find a king charles spaniel for the basket and still clear a 6 foot landing to flat I will feel like the king. If it has a peasant nav that helps avoid rif raf after dark i'll buy one Haha...I forgot your new to trials ! Click the "Pashley" in my Sig.I want a Basket now Bikes And BasketsJarrod Edited January 27, 2008 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) Thought about the 24" option? Inspired Fourplay. Edited January 27, 2008 by El Muelio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Clarke Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) LOL! do want. Edited January 27, 2008 by Clarkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil H Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) Base £99 has a seat tube double the length of what i'm looking for. It's a constant irritation that cheap items are made artificially rubbish to justify the price of designer goods.It's not actually politics, it's creating a cheaper frame meaning street trials is more accessable and the buyer doesn't have to automatically splash out £200.Phil>Will take pike's or similar mid travel forks (i'll prob have the travel dialled down to 95mm and hardish springs in them)>Seat so low onza could bring out a combined bottom bracket / saddle unitI'm not sure these two specifications go together. If its going to take mid travel forks it is definetly not going to be a pure trials frame so isn't gonig to have a low seat.It's like asking for a DH bike with 7inches rear travel but to run rigids on the front.Phil Edited January 27, 2008 by Phil H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Onza woodstock ?http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZk-lebtrials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan pixie Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 It's not actually politics, it's creating a cheaper frame meaning street trials is more accessible and the buyer doesn't have to automatically splash out £200.PhilAgreed but the next least expensive frame on the site is a totally different shape. Why can't the cheaper frame be the same shape as the more expensive one but be built from cheaper, heavier materials?I'm not sure these two specifications go together. If its going to take mid travel forks it is definitely not going to be a pure trials frame so isn't gong to have a low seat.It's like asking for a DH bike with 7inches rear travel but to run rigids on the front.PhilA 7" DH frame with rigids is illogical. A bike with maximum standover for bunny hopping and a little bit of cushion for imperfect landings makes sense. Ok i should've gone to the gym so my wrists are stronger and have spent more time practicing so that my landings are better, but err, i didn't Maybe being a trials noob stops me from seeing the differences between trials and street bikes but i don't see why trials should have low seats and street should have suspension without the two advantages coming together?<><><><><><><><><>Thanks everyone for the suggestions, it's giving me lots of ideas.PS, El Muelio i'm going 26" for the fast rolling and so that i can share parts between my bikes.To anyone who's trying to sell stuff i should point out that i'm not looking to buy until the end of march as i've got to pay for my summer Holiday 1st. It should be a well informed decision by then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 GT hans rey model. check chain reaction, thats designed for sus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 GT hans rey model. check chain reaction, thats designed for sus.+1I can't remember how much it is, but if it's cheap I reckon it's just about your best bet considering your criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan pixie Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) OK, think i've learned enough to narrow this down a bit and be slightly clearer to you'es about what i'm after.A frame with this generic shape:Onza CleanerIt's attributes will include:Uber high standover hight, ie not having a seat (or at least not a saddle n seatpost setup).Extremely tight head angle so that putting longer forks on won't kill the geo completely.Magura mountsBe nice and strongWhat i'm NOT looking for is this generic shape:Hans Rey GT TrialsAlthough the HR sig model is a gorgeous bike that seems to be pouting provocatively and whispering gently the words 0% finance in my ear i will resist it's seductive charms on the grounds that i already own one of these:orange crushMine is last years model all in black with bombers and a 17" size which makes it perfect for aggressive street stuff and i want something totally different. As for why i want to put pikes on a trials frame well doing front hops with bombers is similar to riding a pogo stick yet if i try rigid forks but decide i still want a little bit of give (50mm hopping on my mates pikes and it felt lush) but have bought a frame that won't take the forks then i've stuffed myself for a lot of cash on a frame that won't do what i want.I'm clearly being a fussy git but if i've got to earn the money for this i want to buy the right thing 1st time round. 40% taking my time and 60% bloody mindedness and i'll get there. Thanks for your patience Edit:Maybe the simple thing to ask is:What's the steepest head angle you know of on a frame with the same generic shape as the onza cleaner? Edited January 27, 2008 by tartan pixie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolver Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 handsome dog rockhound 07the small oneHereis what i ride, with suspension. But i'm guessing its still not quite the right shape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_ Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Man I used to ride a DMR transition with marrzo dirt jumpers etc. Now I ride an echo, seriously rigids feel pretty crappy now, but in a few months you will not want pikes. If you want a street bike.. get a street bike like a dmr or somthing, if you want a trials bike get a proper trials bike, most trials frames with a design like your after already have high bbs if you shove pikes on there the bb will be RETARDELY high, considering pikes go from 95-140mm. Doing stuff to front etc. WILL be gash with sus. Ryan leech is pretty inhuman, but even he runs super low (like 50mm or so) mx comp forks as there about the best weight to strength fork you can go with. Pikes weigh a ton.Like I said either get a street bike or get a trials bike, trying to mix the two will feel like shite. to put it bluntly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Ever thought of a planet-x ghost, if you can find one. That's what I ride, my local bike shop had one on consignment, barely used, I got it for 300$ CAD. Sadly, I ride mine with 24"s and the chainstays are a bit too long for my liking, though I'm used to riding a 24" dedicated frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-Stop Junkie Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 To be honest, there arn't trials specific frames intended for even short travel suspension forks. Either you get a decent length seat tube, or you need to run rigid forks.Many have thought about suspension in one way or another. The best bet is to get the best trials frame to suit you, then send your forks off to some tech centre like TF Tuned to get them rebuilt down to 50mm. That's really the only way you can do it.Or go rigid and get used to it. It's a good way to go once you get the technique down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishayton Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 the onza cleaner has a 71.5 degree headangle. that is not steep. steep is around 74 degrees ( planet x etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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