Sam F Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 OR, if you want food you have to create it yourself.. e.g get your own chickens.. grow your own fruit and veg.. now that to me sounds a good idea.. bring it on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 (edited) What about that chicken farming, but its not horrible farming, it was the second option on the program last night, the mass production, but they have toys to play with and perches to sit on, so that they are no quite free ranged, but they arnt horribly farmed.Yeah ! That was good, they got to go outside, had perches, and little bits to play with and keep the stimulated.And it only pushed the price per bird up by like 9p !!!JarrodEDIT....Yeah Fenchurch, me and my GF have just decided to get some chickens this year Just for a laugh Edited January 13, 2008 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Some stuff.....It is rigt, if the uk were to go all out free range etc we would not be able to create the numbers odf chickens required due to it being such a sought after meat!Oone problem with these tv shows (jamie oliver and hugh fernly whitinstall) is they are only showing half the story when it comes to the free range birds, whether it the egg or meat producers, as all the filming they have shown of these units have been when the weather has been good, you wait until the winter, when outside all the free range units is muddy and shitty, i guarentee that you will barely see 10% of the flock outside, meaning that the rest of the population shall be inside, in litter (meat birds) or on the slats (egg producers) meaning they are no better off than the shed bound birds......What about that chicken farming, but its not horrible farming, it was the second option on the program last night, the mass production, but they have toys to play with and perches to sit on, so that they are no quite free ranged, but they arnt horribly farmed.Freedom foods ( what you are on about) is the system we run on our egg laying chickens, it is not as clear as you may expect when you turn to egg producers, the legislation says you can have a certain number of birds for the amount of feed space that you havein the shed, both freedom foods and other legislation state that in half of our shed we can have 1100 egg laying birds, the difference comes when you look at the outside space, on the strd legislation you can have 1000 birds per acre, yet freedom foods state only 400 per acre, now how can this work....OR, if you want food you have to create it yourself.. e.g get your own chickens.. grow your own fruit and veg.. now that to me sounds a good idea.. bring it on! let me know how you get on in 6 months time, hope you have plenty of money!Yeah ! That was good, they got to go outside, had perches, and little bits to play with and keep the stimulated.And it only pushed the price per bird up by like 9p !!!JarrodEDIT....Yeah Fenchurch, me and my GF have just decided to get some chickens this year Just for a laughThe freedom foods legislation intensive meat birds, the ones in the shed with the perches, footballs etc did not go outside!No more replies from me tonight, considering i have been drinking i feel i have expressed quite well, i shall have another read through tomorow and reply withantthing i feel neccesary.Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 AdamThanks man You obviously know alot about what you do !Jarrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squince Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 No matter how much they go on about all this restaurents, hotels, ships or anything else in catering are not going to buy freerange, too expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 the thing is though is that freerange doesnt need to be expensive, theres litterally f**kk all differenceon price it's just a silly markup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebelistic Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I think alot of the time it's a case of "out of sight, out of mind" with this kind of stuff - the average consumer seems pretty thoughtless to me.It's a bit like clothes made in sweatshops, if there was a picture of a poor exploited child on the packaging then (most) people wouldn't buy them, but the reality of the production is kept behind closed doors so people just see a cheap shirt.It's the same with alot of food and meat production (although the chicken is perhaps the worst off) that is done on an intensive scale. The production methods are quite wrong in my opinion but they are hidden from public view.I'm glad Jamie Oliver is trying to improve things.Producing all of your own food (as someone here suggested) is very difficult, however you can buy locally grown organic food - I do. Every week we get a box of locally grown veg and we know that we are paying the farmers directly - not the supermarkets and they get a better deal. It isn't cheap but food is under valued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisRider Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 We had battery hens for over 25 years, its horrible, i hated it but there was/is a demand for it and we filled that slot. Gladly we stopped about 3 years ago, we were making bugger all profit back then...dread to think how in debt we would be if we had continued. The same goes with pork, our farm has had shed bound pigs for over 50years, and it wasn't til last year that we stopped.I haven't watched the links (not interested as like adam said, its bias) but i'm guessing it was just uk based, if so, it gets far worse when you go across the water..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 the thing is though is that freerange doesnt need to be expensive, theres litterally f**kk all differenceon price it's just a silly markupShows how much you know realy and thats not alot.....In free range it is not possible to have the shear numbers of birds that you can in battery/barn birds, also free range you have to consider the amount of land required, and land costs! that land then has to be fenced to stop chickens getting out and foxes/badgers getting in. Free range hens also do not produce as many eggs as battery/barn chickens due to the difference in lifestyle they have.Welfare comes at a cost! (That applies to everything, not just chickens!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMike Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Call me heartless but I've got so much more to worry about that birds stuck in cages... Yes it's wrong but it's not likely to change so don't lose sleep over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I like chickens, but not the taste, I never buy them anyway.Iolo and myself want 4 chickens as pets though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Call me heartless but I've got so much more to worry about that birds stuck in cages... Yes it's wrong but it's not likely to change so don't lose sleep over it.Same here. Besides, why would you care for an animal which can live with it's head cut off? The process of breeding chicken is forced nature really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitbat Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 So if a human was born into bad conditions they shouldnt get help because they dont know any different?Yes, they should get help but they don't. Millions of children are born into bad conditions, people see it and know about it do very little to change it.When everyone on this forum sees adverts about people dying in overseas countries cos of disease and bad conditions do you all find it 'disgusting' and start sending in money to help, i doubt it very much, some people maybe but only a tiny percentage, yet most people replying to this topic about chickens are disgusted with it, something sersiously wrong in this world.Most people will have forgotten this video in 6 month and have gone back to buying normal chicken, if at all they stop.On the topic of chickens, I love the taste of chicken and Yes, Free Range chickens do taste better but not enough to make me buy it all the time.I do, and wll continue to buy cheap chicken because of its price. Seeing that video won't stop me buying it, and I will gladly be called whatever people want to call me for that, its part of a big thing called the Food Chain, and we are at the top of it.Frooty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Woop. Chicken is PENG.And, all of you getting irate and tetchy about it here...Well good luck to you. Not the right place (this is a bike forum not a animal rights or anyhting else one)If this is only a Bike forum do you recon they should delete the Angry/Happy Thread, The car threads,all the bullshit posts ever made and everything else thats not bike related ? I don't think there'd be much left Jarrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 It's hardly going to impact on the way chickens are kept though is it. Reading through, sounds like a vmajority are trying ever so hard to take this seriously. Bit lame. Garuntee no-one does a thing about it.I take it you didn't watch the documentary then ? Fair enough, me telling eveybody to stop eating chicken on here might not have such a huge impact but Sainsburys have announced a significant increase in Free Range chicken since it was Aired 2 days ago.Jarrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 No-ones angry ?Jarrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I can appreciate the "There bred to die" line but come on ? It's disguting, and if the price of Chicken went up by 50p a bird (wich would hardly affect you and me ?) the birds would have a chance to lead good lives and be outside ! And we all know happy meat is good meat, it's scientificly proven that meat that has had fresh clean oxygen is alot more tender and holds more moisture....JarrodThe price of chicken going up would affect me, I have to live on a very tight budget as my parents can't afford to pay my way through Uni like some lucky bar stewards and I don't get any bursaries (oh to be a single child!).And the oxygen thing - that'll probably be why the guy specifically stated when they were walking through the battery farm that they have fresh air pumped through continuously with no dodgy smells or anything.Ok then, Let's put you in a cage your whole life.It doesn't matter if you have a happy free life which you can spend with family and fall in love and enjoy the feeling of happyness, or just feel totally miserable your whole life in a cage.You will still die in both cases, so it doesn't matter so you'd consider living you life in misery? just becuase your going to die soon? disqusting comment in my opinionYou can't use those examples, chickens are completely different animals to humans. They are not emotionally complex.The same guy I quoted above also made a good point when Jamie asked about the morals of it.He said that they have access to food and water whenever they want, there's no REAL suffering, they just... well live. It's not like they beat the eggs out of them for Christ's sake!Would any of you kill for food? Like actually skin and eat something you've killed yourself?I would, in fact it'd probably be a good experience. "Back to basics" sort of thing.Ive seen on tele where chickens are stuff int o confined spaces and tubes shoved down there throughts and pumped full of food. And there throughts swell up from the tubes being put down and there stomachs swell and expand form being fattened so much.That was probably ducks was it not? I don't think that sort of treatment is alowed in this country? Might be on foreign meat imported here though, not sure.I've not finished watching the doc yet, so I'll probably post again once I have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 im not being funny, but with a few people it will have a lasting effect, but with the majority, as soon as the whole thing has passed, itll be back to normal.i worked in a very good restaurant(that also had seperate function+ buffet rooms for 400, which wasnt quite soo good) but if you saw how some stuff looked, you wouldnt buy it, but it all near enough tastes the same.tuna was a good un, never before had i seen grey tuna till i worked there, it had always looked a healthy pink to me, but once its coated in mayo and wrapped in tortilla's, those 12 board room members of the multi national haulage and logistics company discussing pre tax profits up stairs, with slideshows and projectors, wont know the difference. not many people have endless amounts of money, in fact most people are on tight budgets, most people will buy the expensive chicken for a couple of weeks, to try and give themselves some kind of good warm feeling inside. then theyll go back to whatevers on offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 tuna was a good un, never before had i seen grey tuna till i worked there, it had always looked a healthy pink to me, but once its coated in mayo and wrapped in tortilla's, those 12 board room members of the multi national haulage and logistics company discussing pre tax profits up stairs, with slideshows and projectors, wont know the difference.Dolphin? I do agree with you on the "warm feeling" for 2 weeks bit. It's the case with most documentries like this. I guess even if it only turns 1-2% of the population it's had a positive (in you hippies') eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 No-ones angry ?JarrodJust needed to quote a post of yours to comment on your 'don't eat chicken' signature.Did you even watch the f**king documentary you just posted?!Not ALL chicken production is 'cruel'! Did you not see the happy chickens running about in their nice woodland?Just like all these things, people will forget about it in a couple of weeks.I've always bought freerange stuff so makes no difference to me. Interesting documentary though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 The thing where they shove a tube down there throat is Called Fa Gra or something stupid (i don't know how its spelt lol)Still disgusting !The concept of "there only chickens" means nothing to me. There still living things and should be treated with respect. Period ! The living conditions are disgusting, but the bit that gets me is what they use the MRM meats in.....I mean, who knew that they mashed up whole chickens to make burgers ! And for all the people saying about money, I think it was only 7p more for a chicken that had lived with a constant flow of Oxygen, in open spaces with lights and perches/balls and things to stimulate them ? Not alot of money is it ?JarrodNot ALL chicken production is 'cruel'! Did you not see the happy chickens running about in their nice woodland?I'm pretty sure i'm trying to get people to buy the happy chickens ? And of cause i watched the Documentry ! Jarrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 (edited) The thing where they shove a tube down there throat is Called Fa Gra or something stupid (i don't know how its spelt lol)I'm pretty sure i'm trying to get people to buy the happy chickens ? And of cause i watched the Documentry ! JarrodFois Gras has nothing to do with chickens, get your facts straight!Getting people to buy the happy chickens?! You're sig says 'DON'T EAT CHICKEN' which means of any sort, cost or method of production. Edited January 13, 2008 by N.Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 (edited) I'm not stupid ! Did you not read the 3 posts mentioning the Geese getting tubes stuffed down there throats ?One of them even mentioned ducks Jarrod Edited January 13, 2008 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 And for all the people saying about money, I think it was only 7p more for a chicken that had lived with a constant flow of Oxygen, in open spaces with lights and perches/balls and things to stimulate them ? Not alot of money is it ?JarrodIf you mean the price difference between the standard meat birds and the ones that conform to the freedoom foods specifications (perches, balls etc) then you are once again wrong, the price difference was £1, and when you say that they had a constant flow of oxygen, all shed lept birds do, you should see the size of the fans they have to draw the air through the building, they are huge, and usualy there are alot of them! and once again all the sheds have lights as if the birds were kept in the dark they would not feed! Once again, yes i have been to these types of farms!That £1 difference also is not the extra that the farmer gets, they still make fook all per bird they produce!There was something else i was gunna say but forgotten it, when it comes back to me i will put it up Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 (edited) There was something else i was gunna say but forgotten it, when it comes back to me i will put it up AdamCool man, I've got to agree though. Farmers get nothing compared to the amount of work they do.Fecking supermarkets I look like such a hippy don't i ? lolI'm going to watch it again so i don't keep getting my numbers wrong Jarrod Edited January 13, 2008 by Pashley26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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