echo_rob Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) Hi there, This is just a short review of these two bikes and the big jump that steps up your riding from beginner to an experienced trials rider. I know that the saracen is not a tricked-up bike but I say that it needs mentioning! Also, quite alot of beginners around leicester run these bikes. I would just like to start of saying the a saracen 2.zero is not exactly a high-spec trials bike, and at £180 new who's complaining?SaracenThe saracen frame is very short and surprisingly very light for such a cheap bike and a great bike for beginners(well thats what I think anyway). As can be seen above it is simple and hassle-free.The main good point of this bike are:1. It's cheap!2. Its quite light even against high end models3. It is very simple and easy to maintain and use for months4. It's a great beginners bike, no matter what people say! 5. Parts can obviously be installed such as maggies etc6. Easy to get use to and skills can be quickly developed7. All parts are of good quality8. The geo is actually quite similar to the Montys!The main bad points are:1. As skills develop, the performance of the bike prevents any further progression in most cases2. Quite short geo so suitable for quite short ridersBut they are the only real bad points I see in this bike to be honestKoxx Levelboss '06Th koxx is alot more expensive than the saracen but it is obviously one of the main trials bikes on today's market and is still a great bike in my opinion even after years of the same design.The main good points:1. Great geo in my opinion ( levelboss long)2. Very light even compared with others at the higher end3. Quite cheap compared with others at the higher end as well.4. great for natural and street in my opinion5. Good quality tryall parts as standard6. Skills can be developed easilyThe main bad points:1. Frame is quite weak, though will easily withstand a years worth of smashingI made this review only the contrast the two bikes. The saracen is what I started ring and it got me where I am today. It is great value for money but to develop skills even further, a longer smoother bike is needed. I know some poeple wont even bother reading this topic but I just thought I would share my past bikes and experiences with them. The saracen is just for beginners, like I was and I didn't want to spend alot of money on a sport that I may not take to. (It just so happens that I did )thanks for reading,ROB Edited January 9, 2008 by saracen_rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Add how you found the transion from one bike to the other and if it helped you get better ect and that will a excellent review which could help a few people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo_rob Posted January 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 edit:Both bike are obviously different, but the change from one to the other was fairly easy and once I had gotten used to the feel and control of the bike, it became much much easier to ride. It takes time, but if anyone out there is thinking of changing their bike, then keep practicing and soon you will get the hang of it and your skills will develop massivelythanks againrob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadbury's cream egg Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) i went from a sarecen mad 2.zero to a second hand koxx xtp , i think the sarecen is a pile of wank personal to short , crap components . if you had enough money to buy a mad 2.zero id just get a second hand t-pooplus the freewheel is crapo , hard to chain tension/gap , and theres no point putiin maggies on it .but my sarecen cost £45 with avid sd7's lol . i now ride monty 221ti . nicey nice leon Edited January 10, 2008 by trials-Leon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim hill is a dick... yeah Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I loved my saracen mad 2.zero It was pretty short but rode a beast and the freewheel on it lasted age's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadbury's cream egg Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) I loved my saracen mad 2.zero It was pretty short but rode a beast and the freewheel on it lasted age's!gosh my freewheel lasted bout a month after i got it , then i got a £7 one , poor little sarecen 2.zeroleon Edited January 10, 2008 by trials-Leon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) koxx level boss short ......safe to say its the best mod geo around lovelboss is pretty light and has fantastic geogood topic new members will appriciate this as well as members Edited January 10, 2008 by mrkoxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoNnY__Mc Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) Very useful topic I'm sure this will be greatly appreciated by those who are looking to upgrade their saracen mad 2.zeros It will also help riders understand the value of a better geometry frame and how it can improve their riding.Edit: Nice one Edited January 10, 2008 by JoNnY__Mc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0zzy Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 very good review, detailed and even had pictures also liked the way you explained how you learnt alot quiker and better on the koxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Level boss longs ride SOOO nice, Wish andys didnt die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Trialtech Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Awesome post dude!Some very valid points and a pretty fair review of the two bikes all-round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dark Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 methinks worthy of validation? Good effort mate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam217 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 well i myself know rob and ride with him most of the time i have known a few people who have rode the saracen mads and they like rob have devolped new skills fast also its not just the saracen mads but i think if you get a bike with the same sort of geo then the same think will happen, but hands down no doubt about it the saracen do only go up to a limit were parts wear out but i must have to say i have seen a massive difference in rob the way he rides, technique and even confidence so i agree with rob if you want to start but not spend a lot of money go for the saracen mad cameronalso i think that this topic will be quiet useful to new riders that dont know what bike to get because it is very informative and shows how good you can become on such a low brand trials bike and low cost it goes to show you dont need to of the range equiptment to be good at a sport Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty-james Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 worthy of validation and a very good topic for bigginers of trials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echo_rob Posted January 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 thanks alot guys, I was just trying to outline the difficulties and strengths of both bikes and how jumping from one to the other is not always easythanks for reading,rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam217 Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 well rob i think you defined that very well Cameorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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