basher Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 (edited) Do you think life is all set out or its aload of choices and you choose how your life turns out?????edited or otheredit: ill put it another way instead: do you think your faite it planned out and that you lead a life thats planned and things would happen no matter what or do you think you choose your own life and you make your own choices and nothing is planned and things happen for no reason because life has no set plan?????????????? Edited January 7, 2008 by basher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroMatt Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Neither, stuff just happens for no reason, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smo™ Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Neither. Your life is decided not just by you, but by the choices other people make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_ Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Neither. Your life is decided not just by you, but by the choices other people make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hI-OOPS-CAPS Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 no, i just think its far too complex to even begin answering that question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeriding Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 (edited) Life is set out, you can't really choose anything. Edited January 7, 2008 by jebend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Have you been smoking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis.jackson Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 no, i just think its far too complex to even begin answering that questionMr boffin here In my eyes you do as you want. Life is what you make it and no god is in the sky to choose.There is no fate, no god, no luck and no path.so as i said. you choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 (edited) Well the rest of the world is certainly bigger than me, so if it wants to push me about and make me do things, there's not much I can do about it. However, it does at least appear that I can make some choices when that big world outside of me isn't forcing me to do things. Like standing up right now and performing a windmill whilst I walk around the room singing "hit me baby one more time". So, it seems like a blend to me. You have choices within the confines of an environment which will ultimately set the limits of those choices.The problem is, that kind of assumes that I do have some separateness to my environment and perhaps I don't. If everything is a connected stream of events, then perhaps I'm just following through on events that are happening around me and before me in time. So the question is, do i accept how things feel or what ideas seem to potentially make sense? Life would seem like a bit of a joke if I have no control over it, just an impression that I do... Edited January 7, 2008 by rowly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials rules Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 This might be an interesting subject, and you may want to get different views on it but at the end of the day, however it actualy is, you cant change it and you will never know what is controlling it...so why waste time thinking about it. Thats my view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis.jackson Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 (edited) This might be an interesting subject, and you may want to get different views on it but at the end of the day, however it actualy is, you cant change it and you will never know what is controlling it...so why waste time thinking about it. Thats my view Well, that assumes you definitely know something about it, which means you have presumably thought about it and what if you're wrong?Personally, I love thinking about this for the fact it reminds me how little I know and how amazing and complex the world is. It's always nice potentially coming to understand as well. That "eureka!" sensation. Edited January 7, 2008 by rowly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR_Trials Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 What if..?So many theories no one will ever know what life really is and the effects it has on us. Who are we to say we have free will. When you say to yourself look i can clench my hand right now, iv just told myself to do it... Nope that was set for me to do, that was planed in my life at that point it was planned that i would query lifes power over my physical and mental being and that in order for the (lets say) 'secret' to be kept would be for me to question it and to then clench my fist in order to 'rebel', and then believe that i had done that due to my own free will.Id love to think my life was set out for me at this point id love to think it isn't my fault that Ellie chooses to hurt me, and that it isn't her choice to hurt me. I'd love to think it wasn't my falt that, in all fairness, i only really have 2 real friends that actually care for me rather then just 'like' me.Maybe its just because i'm actually more upset now then i have ever been that i'm starting to question, why the f**k am i hear, why should you (for example) be happy, why can't i.. i seriously (without sounding emo) haven't been properly happy since i lost Ellie, why should a girl that treated me like crap have power over me. Perhaps its certain people that hold responsibility over you in order to control and limit your choices.But maybe what i think it really really boils down to is our imagination and our interpretation on life. The choices we make are really only limited by natural laws which are set to stop ourselves from holding anymore power then we already have. In which case i'm interpritating life to be a shit hole at the moment and if i in some way could work out how to just be happy and content.. to make everything that is bad just another obstacle rather then letting it bring me down, and maybe to you its a beautiful place and you couldn't be happier, that will affect the choices you make perhaps.So really... couldn't that mean that in life not only are there choices but deeper, its how we interpret life that allows us to actually make the choices.Or maybe... im just speaking an utter load of bollocks but either way thats my view at the moment. Oh and if anyone knows any kind of 'self-hypnotism' you can do to make yourself just generally happier please share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1a2bcio8 Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 What if..?So many theories no one will ever know what life really is and the effects it has on us. Who are we to say we have free will. When you say to yourself look i can clench my hand right now, iv just told myself to do it... Nope that was set for me to do, that was planed in my life at that point it was planned that i would query lifes power over my physical and mental being and that in order for the (lets say) 'secret' to be kept would be for me to question it and to then clench my fist in order to 'rebel', and then believe that i had done that due to my own free will.Id love to think my life was set out for me at this point id love to think it isn't my fault that Ellie chooses to hurt me, and that it isn't her choice to hurt me. I'd love to think it wasn't my falt that, in all fairness, i only really have 2 real friends that actually care for me rather then just 'like' me.Maybe its just because i'm actually more upset now then i have ever been that i'm starting to question, why the f**k am i hear, why should you (for example) be happy, why can't i.. i seriously (without sounding emo) haven't been properly happy since i lost Ellie, why should a girl that treated me like crap have power over me. Perhaps its certain people that hold responsibility over you in order to control and limit your choices.But maybe what i think it really really boils down to is our imagination and our interpretation on life. The choices we make are really only limited by natural laws which are set to stop ourselves from holding anymore power then we already have. In which case i'm interpritating life to be a shit hole at the moment and if i in some way could work out how to just be happy and content.. to make everything that is bad just another obstacle rather then letting it bring me down, and maybe to you its a beautiful place and you couldn't be happier, that will affect the choices you make perhaps.So really... couldn't that mean that in life not only are there choices but deeper, its how we interpret life that allows us to actually make the choices.Or maybe... im just speaking an utter load of bollocks but either way thats my view at the moment. Oh and if anyone knows any kind of 'self-hypnotism' you can do to make yourself just generally happier please share.Practice meditation for 15 mins a day, every day for a month, and in as much as I feel confident about being as confident as I can be confident, I will state that it will make you feel very different (happier in other words). You could always meditate on a mantra, like "I will be happy" or "life's great". I write that with a sense of humour but it will probably work. Anyway, there's plenty of resources on the net to show you how to meditate if you want - it will work. Additionally, there's something called yoga nidra, which is the yogic sleep but also contains methods of auto suggestion - again look it up or there's a yoga nidra book you can get by a chap called swarmi satyananda. My experience, having spent most of my life, sometimes with crippling depression, is that meditation (and indian/mystical yoga) is the best method for realizing happiness. Anyway, I hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 I don't believe in 'destiny' just like I don't believe in 'God'. To be honest, with no choice I think it'd be a pretty depressing state...so the 90 year old guy who lost all his family and friends in the war now sits at home, freezing and starving because he can't afford anything, simply waiting to die?You have every single choice. Look at yourselves now, you decided which college to go to...who to be friends with, how you met them would have been some choice of your own. Ok, people will come out with the 'ohhhh, maybe God but us in this same class because we were destined to meet'....Hmmm, about as logical as the bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 The big things are preset, we just fill in the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzo Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Maybe its just because i'm actually more upset now then i have ever been that i'm starting to question, why the f**k am i hear, why should you (for example) be happy, why can't i.. i seriously (without sounding emo) haven't been properly happy since i lost Ellie, why should a girl that treated me like crap have power over me. Perhaps its certain people that hold responsibility over you in order to control and limit your choices.I think in recent times a lot of people will agrue that statement. Life is what you make it, you don't have to be sat at home in a depressed state. Its not destiny thats making you upset, its yourself. You can go out, have a laugh, meet new people and maybe even a new girlfriend.Everyones been through your footsteps, your not the first and in no way the last. Look at the girl trouble thread...its one of the most popular on the board!Either you can sit around thinking about how life 'could have been' without this girl, or you can start to think about life without this girl...either way, you'll get over it eventually and this time in a few months you'll be laughing wondering what you were so concerned about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rebelistic Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I gather the original question was basically - Do we have free will or not?I think it's impossible to tell for sure but it's an interesting thread.We seem to have free will, I can choose to turn left or right for example. Suppose I choose left.That seems to have been a free choice. However when I look back, I went left not right. How do I know if I really could have gone right?If time went back, would I have made the same choice?Perhaps what happens, happens and could not have happened any other way - because it didn't.Is there a well known book by Dawkins or someone who recons free will is an illusion?Are we just products of our genes and our environment?Basically I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Is there a well known book by Dawkins or someone who recons free will is an illusion?You may be thinking of The Selfish Gene. I've not read it, but I gather that it's about the idea that DNA exists only to replicate itself - that DNA is not something that we require to live, rather humans are something to allow DNA to replicate and spread. Might have to read it actually, sounds interesting.In my mind, the problem with the idea of fate is the powerlessness that goes with it. If you resign everything to fate, where is the incentive to try and make something happen, or do something with your life? Purely for that reason I don't believe in fate. Believing in fate can only really lead to bad outcomes, whereas believing in you choosing your own path is a much better path. Whether fate exists or not (which has got to be impossible to determine anyway?) is largely irrelevant - it's whether you believe in it that makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 The great Poopipe controls your destiny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 No one else decides how your life after you've reached a sensible age is going to turn out without you choosing to let them... so you choose how your life is going to turn out regardless. I beleive that life is just huge bunch of coincedences stringed together but if you have a good amount of respect then you can make something good of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeriding Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) Have you been smoking?I have/was.If you can't choose who you are, or how your mind works you cant make your own decision.So if you were clever enough I reckon you could predict everything. Edited January 9, 2008 by jebend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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