Jason222 Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I've got an older king, I think every time that it's skipped it was a drivetrain skip, not the hub itself...and it's never happened while doing anything. Great hub so far. Not too impressed with the Sh!tty echo rim though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Hope wouldn't sort me out when I contacted them about the hub on my XC bike (Hope XC with steel freehub), which not only wasn't back pedalling correctly, but had deep gouges in it from the 6 biggest of the 8 sprockets on the cassette (After 6 months use I needed a hammer to get the cassette off the freehub to fit a new drivetrain). The ratchet pawls were also a bit deformed and the shoulder on the axle separating the freehub bearings from the hub bearings was also deforming (Probably due to me liking my wheels to stay on and using a Shimano QR skewer rather than the notably bad Hope ones (Look up accidents involving front QR's coming loose in use). When I emailed Hope explaining that the hub was only used for XC (And it was - I had a different bike for trials) they replied saying the hub wasn't suitable for trials - which I pretty much guessed given it was getting mashed from XC use. Tw@ts... Fitted an XTR (Cheaper than the Hope, when you factor in that Hope don't include the QR skewer with their hubs) after the Hope and three years later with no servicing whatsoever (Never even looked in it), it's still running as good as new on the XC bike. I had an XTR last 5 years on my trials bike (Opened after a year to tighten the freehub bolt, nothing else done to it, same servicing required for the XTR I replaced it with) before the freehub jammed slightly once on backpedaling leading to a faceplant - I sold that hub on (with a warning about this potential problem) and it's still running on an XC bike 2 years later AFAIK). XT hubs are lucky to last 6 months on a trials bike, Deores are lucky to last that on an XC bike...Based on this experience (And the way I know one person personally and have heard stories of several others who've had flanges on their Hope hubs fail and know a lot more people that use Shimano hubs and I've never heard even third or fourth hand of Shimano hubs failing this way - even those laced radially when Shimano said they shouldn't be laced that way). For these reasons I'd be slow to trust anything off Hope (Except their valve caps, which seem adequate, but they won't injure me if they fail ). I have tried their trials brakes and while they're working they work very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 The bar end plugs are pretty good too after a bit of modifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26inch Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 If your cassette is digging into riding xc you've either got a sh*t cassette or are incredibly obese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si-man Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Hill climbs put alot of pressure through the drivetrain you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26inch Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 not when displaced over 9 sprockets and 8 spacers with add up to a load area of around 10cm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Quigley Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 ive heard thats best way of losing your teethking hubs really arent that great. fantastic for mtb and road use but according to ck their hubs should never skip, the hub should rip apart before they skip, we know this isnt true. we also know when they skip they go in a big way.I dont want to get into a hope/king debate but I will say this. My king has been awesome, yes it's skipped a few times (a drop gap in soton about a month ago) but I didn't smash my face, was only a little skip which resulted in me only gapping half the distance, not going over the bars.I've had my king for nearly 3 years and it has only scared me maybe twice in that time. I have never used a pro 2 but I haven't heard of any hope hub lasting that long under constant abuse.If hope can ressolve the issues with the hub bodys cracking then I'd happily run one in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt rushton Posted December 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Ive seen alot of King shells crack though, well spokes pulling stright through the shell. Good thing with Hope though, they will sort it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janson Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 kings are awesome hubs. soooo many people have used them and still use them for trials with no problems. i had some issues with my hub, internals were a bit shoddy so i got them replaced FOR FREE, no questions. it's been perfect since then, skipped a few times, but those were only tiny skips when i was coasting along pedalling VERY lightly; this is where most kings skip.sure, spokes pull out of kings and some skip all over the place, but they're still pretty damn awesome hubs. i hear a lot of problems with pro2 springs snapping, hubshells cracking and stuff, so it's not like they're perfect either.i'm a king man myself, but i'd like to try a pro2 to see what they're like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.E.A.U Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 hope are shit. End of. Get something that will take abuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 The only reason more people don't complain about the cassette digging into the freehub on Hopes is that a lot of people buy very high end cassettes which have spiders to spread the load from sprocket to sprocket. These are fine is you're a compulsive bike polisher and do low mileage, but are too expensive to justify otherwise. Suffice it to say I've never seen a shimano hub suffer from this level of damage from these cassettes, even on my trials bike. Hope need to look at their material hardness and quality very carefully... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 The only reason more people don't complain about the cassette digging into the freehub on Hopes is that a lot of people buy very high end cassettes which have spiders to spread the load from sprocket to sprocket. These are fine is you're a compulsive bike polisher and do low mileage, but are too expensive to justify otherwise. Suffice it to say I've never seen a shimano hub suffer from this level of damage from these cassettes, even on my trials bike. Hope need to look at their material hardness and quality very carefully...Agreed. Shimano free hubs are crazy strong for stopping cogs digging into them I've seen someone running single speed with a skinny cog and it barley dented it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladd Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Sh*t Never seen a pro2 do that before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Hundley Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 oh my god someone broke an 07 hopeboohoowho gives a shit everyones bashers now, nothing will last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 oh my god someone broke an 07 hopeboohoowho gives a shit everyones bashers now, nothing will last.Well somebody has got sand in their vagina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Hundley Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Well somebody has got sand in their vagina.its just annoying'oh my god everyone shit the bed i broke a pro2'nothing will last with trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmondraptor Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I've seen some people say bad things about the '06 pro2s, do you think it would be a bad idea to get one of the cheap ones that are on tartybikes at the moment? Even with the warranty I'd rather have a hub that doesn't break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 I've seen some people say bad things about the '06 pro2s, do you think it would be a bad idea to get one of the cheap ones that are on tartybikes at the moment? Even with the warranty I'd rather have a hub that doesn't break.I say it depends how you ride to be honest. Some people destroy the strongest parts out there while others make the weakest of parts last a life time. You might get the hub and it last for years or it might fall apart in weeks. You know the main weakness of the hub so you know what to expect. If you arnt a harsh rider go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 you cant justify that, alot more people havent broken their pro 2 than people who have.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroMatt Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Don't know how people manage to do this. I still have my pro 2 trials from about a week after they came out and between then and now I've snapped about 8 chucky chains and theres been nothing wrong with the hub at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 you cant justify that, alot more people havent broken their pro 2 than people who have..On the contuary (spelt wrong), the numbers of riders breaking their hubs shell is more than justified to worry those other riders hubs that have yet broken within 6-8months of use. my old deore hub has gone through years of abuse and is still going strong. so what does that say about a hub that is more technically advanced in terms of design and construction? it means that they dont make they last like they used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 On the contuary (spelt wrong), the numbers of riders breaking their hubs shell is more than justified to worry those other riders hubs that have yet broken within 6-8months of use. my old deore hub has gone through years of abuse and is still going strong. so what does that say about a hub that is more technically advanced in terms of design and construction? it means that they dont make they last like they used to.id be willing to bet a house on the fact that anyone who broke a pro2 within 6 months would destroy a deore hub in weeks...the number of hubs broken is very small in comparison to those that are entirely trouble free - and those ones are fantastic for trials.... kings are great hubs too but personally i dont think worth the extra cash... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 my xc has been fine for years...and i havent touched the pro 2 and ive had it since the summer last year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Hundley Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 my xc has been fine for years...and i havent touched the pro 2 and ive had it since the summer last year...you weigh 4 stone though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 (edited) id be willing to bet a house on the fact that anyone who broke a pro2 within 6 months would destroy a deore hub in weeks...the number of hubs broken is very small in comparison to those that are entirely trouble free - and those ones are fantastic for trials.... kings are great hubs too but personally i dont think worth the extra cash...Err im talking about the hub shell, not the internals . thats what this topic IS about. in any event, deore internals (ie; pawls) are replaceable, a cracked Pro2 hub shell is not readly replaceable. Edited December 31, 2007 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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