manuel Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Err im talking about the hub shell, not the internals . thats what this topic IS about. in any event, deore internals (ie; pawls) are replaceable, a cracked Pro2 hub shell is not readly replaceable. end of the day whats the difference ? someone who manages to break a pro 2 shell will break a naff shimano freehub long before the hub shell becomes an issue ... anyway my point stands - not that many have broken... fact is shimano hubs just arent suitable for trials - pro2's are - the comparison is not valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 you weigh 4 stone thoughactually i weigh 11 1/2 stone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 actually i weigh 11 1/2 stone...christ thats more than tunni !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 end of the day whats the difference ? someone who manages to break a pro 2 shell will break a naff shimano freehub long before the hub shell becomes an issue ... anyway my point stands - not that many have broken... fact is shimano hubs just arent suitable for trials - pro2's are - the comparison is not valid.Your irrelevant point stands for jack-sh*t. an established company (HOPE) that manufactuer high quality bike parts, shouldnt produce hub shells for a specific bike stunt discipline that crack PERIOD! in comparision to a hub shell (DEORE) not designed for trials which doesnt. This topic is ONLY about the hub shell hense the pic. so get your facts straight! Neil tunnicliffe weighs closer to 13st (when i was with him at Canary Wharf for the motor show earlier this year). i say this because im 5ft 11ins at 12.5st and when i stood next too him chatting away between demos neil stood clearly taller (6ft 1in) and bigger in build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave85 Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 The only reason the deore hubshell doesnt crack in the same fashion is because it isnt subjected to the freewheel forces. Hope have made a good hub, have responded to problems and no doubt would have made an indestructable hubshell if it wasnt for the fact everyone would moan about the weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuel Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Your irrelevant point stands for jack-sh*t. an established company (HOPE) that manufactuer high quality bike parts, shouldnt produce hub shells for a specific bike stunt discipline that crack PERIOD! in comparision to a hub shell (DEORE) not designed for trials which doesnt. This topic is ONLY about the hub shell hense the pic. so get your facts straight! Neil tunnicliffe weighs closer to 13st (when i was with him at Canary Wharf for the motor show earlier this year). i say this because im 5ft 11ins at 12.5st and when i stood next too him chatting away between demos neil stood clearly taller (6ft 1in) and bigger in build.go to http://www.myspace.com/neiltunnicliffe weighs just over 11 stone aparrently ... (i dont particularily believe this either...)also - what about koxx then their frames break very easily but they class these as comp frames - hope make a hub that MOST people wont break and gives blinding performance. they also give a very full warranty to those very few that do break. if they made something that was truly indestructable it would either A cost more or B weigh more... and like i said as most people dont break them that would reduce their sales - so my point that most dont break is valid. chris king hubs also have problems and they cost a whole lot more than the hope ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Elson Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 actually i weigh 11 1/2 stone...11 1/2 , im 6.2" and i weigh that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Hundley Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 actually i weigh 11 1/2 stone...bloody hell4 stone was an over exageration (if you never guessed lol) but seriously i thought you weighed like 9stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 nah me fat boy. 5dollar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 So has anyone else cracked an '07 (last years ) mode?I cracked my after '06, I ruined a King and am now on an '07 Hope which has been excellent.I borrowed my brothers Deore on mavic wheel 3 years ago as my old Hope XC was in for servicing, and i competely f**ked that up within 2 days of not-exactly-going-for-every-gap trias riding.Shimano hubs belong on XC bikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 LMFAO!!!! at the "i hear" shiz.turned into a well funny topic half way down page 1!!!iv not broken a hope rear trials hub shell???? and i dont know why cos i used to break loads of stuff.i think its spoke tension issues. kings are ok, it all depends how deep your wallets are though. you break king hubshells same as hope ones break, i think i did a couple of king shells, back in the days of 2005 and previous.since been sponsored by hope iv never felt the reason to change from a simple system, i do see where alan felton is coming from, the ring drive system is good, but personally its expensive.Wayne.i maybe wrong its literally only my opinion i heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 LMFAO!!!! at the "i hear" shiz.i think its spoke tension issues. i maybe wrong its literally only my opinion i heard.As in too much tension pulling the hub apart?Because when mine went i can assure you there was next to bugger all spoke tension, very loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 wont be spoke tension. my wheel is tight as fook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynio Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 i used to tension my hubs alot and it pulled a couple of front hubs apart.i was then advised not to build them so tight. if you think about it. it honestly cant really be much else.how else would the hub pull apart??? and it is a hole that snaps to cause the crack??? its not happening to them all though, if it was a "fault" every single one would break, or a majority would.the main thing from a riders point of view is, not to complain but to appreciate that your product is replaced FOC. Wayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_Fel Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 i used to tension my hubs alot and it pulled a couple of front hubs apart.i was then advised not to build them so tight. if you think about it. it honestly cant really be much else.how else would the hub pull apart??? and it is a hole that snaps to cause the crack??? its not happening to them all though, if it was a "fault" every single one would break, or a majority would.the main thing from a riders point of view is, not to complain but to appreciate that your product is replaced FOC. Wayne.I feel like having a bit of a shit chat about hope's and kings.People might think I hate hope hubs but thats not the fact at all what I don't like is people saying that hope hubs are better than kings. Kings are more expensive for a reason and when you look at the price difference you get a hell of a lot more for your money in a king. Hopes work great but every hope hub i've had has worn out and broke and had to be fixed. Kings on the other hand I've got 3 rears and had 4 in total none have gone wrong on me when it comes to the engagment mechanism. I have however broke a HD axle. I'm not a harsh rider at all things last for me its just the way I ride (as little as that is).King hubs are a lot better in design than hopes but they do take more looking after. I personally was prepared to invest in the tool to service the hub and it was a wise choice. I think people who have trouble with kings are the ones that like to fit and forget. You can't do that with a king they do need looking after they are a "precision component". Hopes on the other hand are a bit more fit and forget.So basically what i'm trying to say is hopes are good kings are better even if they do need a bit more looking after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 i used to tension my hubs alot and it pulled a couple of front hubs apart.i was then advised not to build them so tight. if you think about it. it honestly cant really be much else.how else would the hub pull apart??? and it is a hole that snaps to cause the crack??? its not happening to them all though, if it was a "fault" every single one would break, or a majority would.the main thing from a riders point of view is, not to complain but to appreciate that your product is replaced FOC. Wayne.Then why did mine go on a wheel with very little tension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroMatt Posted January 1, 2008 Report Share Posted January 1, 2008 Think they go because of the strange torsion forces exterted on it when doing trials moves, thats the only reason I can think of really. Spoke tightness is more likely to effect the flanges not the entire shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt rushton Posted January 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 i think its spoke tension issues.I get my wheels built from the guy that Hope get theres done by. Because they told me to go there, and I have never touched it since.Anyway I dropped it off today, They told me to come back tomorow, Sorted.I didn't make this topic to have a go at Hope, I think know Hope are a great company, as I worked there for abit on work experaince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafu26 Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 dmr revolver and an eno. works for me and i'm really fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deonn h Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 dmr revolver and an eno. works for me and i'm really fat.Freewheels are gay though.Just get an old second hand king mines mint.Hopes are great hubs aswell though , just need this problem sorted then itle be an ace hub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun H Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 (edited) Then why did mine go on a wheel with very little tension?Because it's a convienient excuse that can't be disproved King ***Hope are good as said above, for people who fit and forget. CKs require maintenance which some people either never learn to do properly or just never do full stop, then tell everyone how shit Kings are. Yes some of them do completely shit the bed but that number is no where near as many as that of Pro2s. Plus, although you have to send it to the US, the hubs have a 5(10?) year warranty. Edited January 2, 2008 by Shaun H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 I feel like having a bit of a shit chat about hope's and kings.People might think I hate hope hubs but thats not the fact at all what I don't like is people saying that hope hubs are better than kings. Kings are more expensive for a reason and when you look at the price difference you get a hell of a lot more for your money in a king.Too right. But I've run a King for at least 4 years and I've never taken it apart, so I'm not convinced they're high maintenance. Maybe I'm lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 2, 2008 Report Share Posted January 2, 2008 Er, did Hope not admit there was a fault with their last batch of hubs?Sorry, but this spoke tension shit is utter bollocks. I've hardly ever heard of hubs cracking like that before the last batch of Hopes. Hope admitted their was a fault, just do that this time? Replace your mistakes, i certainly wouldn't let it put me off of buying another Hope hub, and i'm sure that didn't happen last time a few cracked theirs.People need to stop trying to blame other causes for something that is quite obviously the manufacturers problem, it's not a crime to admit a mistake has been made, i'm sure the faultless history of Hope won't even be scratched, just don't blame storm or blame it on ignorant riders.Haha, basically, what Shaun said about the convenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_ Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 (edited) Having proved extremely popular amongst riders from across the globe, Hope found that around 3% of their hub shells sold were failing... so they beefed up the design and increased strength by 10%! Edited January 4, 2008 by Tom_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo =) Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 maybe it might be bacuse when you kick the pedals the chain is pulling on the hub creating stress before the wheel actually starts to turn (we are talking milliseconds) but after a while the shell becomes weak dont really no anything about a hope but it make sence if you think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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