basher Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Well im at a pritty good level of riding and im wanting to perfect my technique. When i sidehop to go bigest i take a hop forward and then go to front wheel first. Lately ive been wanting to change so i can sidehop from the spot without taking the hop forward but i find it hard. I want to change to this as it will help with natural riding and also im shite at sidehoping to back wheel and i think it will help alo with that technique and will mean i will be able to go bigger with sidehops. I find it hard to get on to the back wheel get settled and preload right and to go big enough to do anything decent. Im think im not preloading over the back enough and leaning to far forward, maybe tilting my bars back might make this easier to preload over the back? also do people think a higher front end will help? or is practice and more practice just the best idea trying to drill it in and perfect getting it. theres a video with a sidehop or 2 in it.any ideas welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 As Damon always say's to me. Stall before you do the sidehop. Once you are comfy. Stall, throw your arse down towards your backwheel. Then smash your pedals really hard and for the tuck. Try and knee yourself in the face. Works for me everytime.Just give it ago .Danny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Quigley Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 After wathing that vid I have a general comment that may help, not only with your sidehops but also everything else.You seem to be very stiff when you're ridding. There's not much body movement going on. Try to loosen up and flow with your bike more, if that makes any sense.Your front wheel gaps look good, especially on the landing, try and get a bit more movement when taking off and you should be able to go beastly.I realise I havn't helped specifically with the sidehops but hopefully I have helped in some way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Lower handlebars rather than higher seem to help with hopping height from what I've seen. Placing the front wheel first is a better technique for height than trying to get the back wheel landed first or both wheels at the same time because you can pivot the back wheel up once the front is in position, so you'll pretty much always be able to get onto higher edges with a front wheel first landing. If you practice sidehopping over tape where you can't use the front wheel to get height you'll get an idea how high you can sidehop without the front wheel.I'm not that happy with front wheel first landings for sidehops, so I'm in the opposite situation in that I'm trying to use the front wheel as a landing since I'm used to landing back wheel first/back wheel only or both wheels at the same time. Front wheel landings are very important for getting 180's onto things and for wheel swapping onto narrow stuff, so I reckon I have more work to do ... Where was the video shot? Some nice lines there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt rushton Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 In that video, you ride like a proper stiff. Your not as bad when out riding. Try thinking that your going over the wall, thats what I do and it helps me to land both wheels at same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Yeah ive always been pritty stiff when riding and know it proberly doesnt and holds me back. Lately ive been changeing frames and set ups alot so has been hard for me to settle properly. I do find it hardly sometimes to relax and just hop on the spot when setting up for a sidehop. Im fine when going for a gap but not sidehops thats when i tense alot more. I dont want to sidehop to wheels just think by changeing my technique ill be able to go less to fornt wheel and will help go bigger. Also thought about bringing my arms into me more so i can preload more.also riding is in burnley and blackburn Edited December 20, 2007 by basher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Try go less to front wheel, you might think that you dont want to sidehop to 2 cos thats what all the street bashers do or wotever but it works, too much to front wheel looks gay and sketchy, everything else seems to be fine really, just practise thats all it is, btw Ali goes to 2 and his sidehops improved from 45 to about 51 now after he changed his technique.Matx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) f**k off is front wheel sketchy. way more control i reckon., also, if you screw up your front wheel will stay up and you can just slide to pedal rather than both wheels going.and the whole "dont want to sidehop to 2 cos thats what all the street bashers do or wotever" 2 looks better, thats about it. nick manning and james quigley can sidehop obsurdly high and guess what, front wheel first...its about whats best for you IMO, the main thing is just your preload Edited December 20, 2007 by Ash-Kennard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 They may be able to sidehop well high. But sidehopping straight to two looks miles better and makes your sidehops higher.At some point. Every rider will have to go straight to two. Because you get to a height where you cant go to front.Danny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) f**k off is front wheel sketchy. way more control i reckon., also, if you screw up your front wheel will stay up and you can just slide to pedal rather than both wheels going.and the whole "dont want to sidehop to 2 cos thats what all the street bashers do or wotever" 2 looks better, thats about it. nick manning and james quigley can sidehop obsurdly high and guess what, front wheel first...its about whats best for you IMO, the main thing is just your preloadlmao shut up, watch the video and see how sketchy it was, maybe if HE went to 2, HE might not be as sketchy so it MIGHT work for HIM, HE is asking for ADVICE.ur a geek lmao.Matx Edited December 20, 2007 by Mat Smith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Quigley Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 f**k off is front wheel sketchy. way more control i reckon., also, if you screw up your front wheel will stay up and you can just slide to pedal rather than both wheels going.and the whole "dont want to sidehop to 2 cos thats what all the street bashers do or wotever" 2 looks better, thats about it. nick manning and james quigley can sidehop obsurdly high and guess what, front wheel first...its about whats best for you IMO, the main thing is just your preloadyou should have been out on Sunday Ash. I couldn't sidehop for love nor money.I think it's the new stem, but I did tap the curved wall at the courts so I think it's a bit of give and take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 lmao shut up, watch the video and see how sketchy it was, maybe if HE went to 2, HE might not be as sketchy so it MIGHT work for HIM, HE is asking for ADVICE.ur a geek lmao.Matxyeah but what you were saying was a massive generalisation. Going to two doesnt work for some people. His sidehops were alright, he just need to lean back a little bit more and he will be sorted. dick ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Try go less to front wheel, you might think that you dont want to sidehop to 2 cos thats what all the street bashers do or wotever but it works, too much to front wheel looks gay and sketchy, everything else seems to be fine really, just practise thats all it is, btw Ali goes to 2 and his sidehops improved from 45 to about 51 now after he changed his technique.MatxIts not i dont want to go to 2 wheels, but if you watch people some people go more or less perfectly to 2 wheels i want it to be where my front wheel lands just first, that actually how ali does it as ive rode with him countless times and i dont think ive ever seen him side hop to 2 wheels to the exstent as say damon watson alis front wheel always touchs just before. But yeah i want it to be where i land more over the rear with not going to fornt so much. I find going to frotn first more controlled like ash says. My sidehops arent to bad as them in the video are about bar height and i can do bit bigger than that but found with the technique at the moment its just so hit and miss whether i make it and when i do i usually piss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Smith! Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) Decided i canneeeeeee be botherd to do this, u have ur opinion i have mine, take my advice or leave it ur choice.Matx Edited December 20, 2007 by Mat Smith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 appreicate everyones points and after christmas when i can build my new stock frame up so i dont have to ride pooy mod lol ill get practicing. Im going to try rolling bars back abit and then relax and loosen up. And as danny sugested im going to try and use stalling first before preloading to help me go from the spot and to preload alot more and over the back end more so i can unweight the front wheel more and not go to it so much. Ive always noticed when i watch clips of me it looks like on all moves that i dotn preload alot but doesnt feel that way in real life when doing th emove so on all moves im going to try and put alot more preload into it and hopefully ill be able to go alot bigger. Thanks for the replies and more the merrier so please give more bad or good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlet Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 At some point. Every rider will have to go straight to two. Because you get to a height where you cant go to front.Tunni Adamant video 3?, You seen how high he goes up to front, if he did that as a sidehop it would be massive.The bad point about going to front wheel in a sidehop though, is that you are stuffed if you want to sidehop over something.As for sidehopping, I have started to sidehop the way I should be going naturally, I skipped this before as I couldn't get any height from it, but now I do a sidehop almost like a gap technique.When you do a flat to flat gap, you lower your front end and compress your body, then when you go to kick you spring your legs outwards as far as possible and then suck the motion into the bike.Now this may not seem like sidehopping, but squash the gapping and think of it going upwards.In a sidehop you lower yourself and the bike, curling your legs and body like a spring, then you kick and go upwards as high as possible.And sidehopping you get higher by tucking the bike higher, not necessarily jumping higher, the same with gapping, you extend your bike further and are not necessarily moving further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Kearns Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Tunni Adamant video 3?, You seen how high he goes up to front, if he did that as a sidehop it would be massive.As in a none moving motion. I meant there will be a point in SIDEHOPPING where people will have to go straight to two because you wont be able to get enough motivation to put the front wheel on first when people start getting bigger heights.Not when you pedal up to front wheel like Tunni and Damon etc.Danny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom jersey Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I have this problem, well not problem but motivation to be able to sidehop to double wheel what i can do to front wheel first but i am struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantham Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 C'ant be bothered to get into the argument about 2 wheels or front wheel, but to get rid of that hop before you go you should change your take offs, in that video there all pritty much flat ground to flat which is just easy, try taking off from a tree stump or small rock so that you dont have the option of doing the hop, you'll soon learn not to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted December 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 If anyones bothered i went out just now for a play on me mod as thats only bike i have built at the moment. Before i went out i rolled back my bars because i thought this may help as the bars being so far forward may mean i leaning forward for that reson and stoping me from hoping on the spot nicely when setting up. Ive only just built my mod back up and rode it a handfull of time and it felt weird at first when riding it. Went out and found a little sidehop that i was struggleing on any wya on me mod, i could piss it on me stock bacause thats what i ride and am better on. And i tryed not to rush it and got on back wheel and when i felt comfortable tryed to just stall slightly and then preloaded over the rear and went from the spot unlike normally going and taking a hop forward. And its a hell of a lot better and all ive done is roll the bars back. Im not going to 2 wheels and my aim never was to but im going move over the rear and front wheel is only just touching first.When i get me stock built and get adjusted to it im going to do the same technique and perfect it. I would say the little pause before going and the bars being moved has made a big differnce and if anyone else is in the same boat i would say try it yourself. As although my previous technique worked it was sketch and not controled and will only work to a certain height and will holt my progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 well done, its nice to see when something just clicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 .......Ok im a sidehop lover and i changed my tech a few times......all you have to do is relax the whole body and put your mind to the sidehop......get on back wheel verry little hoping then a pause...then just creep slightly forward.......this puts your body in the best preload position to then throw ur ass down to the rear wheel..........then shoot up like a spring..........i go to front slightly as its safer.........going to two is a lot more effort.......its all in the preload ask clownbike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted December 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 well done, its nice to see when something just clicksCheers just need to start to relax now, and also but more emphasis into preloads on all moves.Hopeing by changeing to sidehoping from the spot will help me with natural riding because i going to be focusing on comps next year and want to do well in expert.Think ill start a technique topic where people who have problems can post as peoples views and pointers can help alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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