Braintree Trials Park.

[kid creole]

I was at the meeting about the trials park and talked to the owner, the space we decided on was big and could deffiently be made into a great trials park plus it is surounded by hill side which he said we could turn into natural sections, he also said the we can continue to expand the park from the area we have to start in.

As for the obstacles in the park we talked about keeping them more natural like rocks and logs etc becouse its a nature park and old cars and things like that will spoil the look of there nature park.

[JonMack]

There's nothing wrong with rocks and logs and such. Sounds like it could be good, just get someone to dump a whole load of rocks down there, varying in size from about 12" tall to however big you want, and hope for the best!

[kid creole]

There's nothing wrong with rocks and logs and such. Sounds like it could be good, just get someone to dump a whole load of rocks down there, varying in size from about 12" tall to however big you want, and hope for the best!

yeah i prefer rocks and logs i was just giving a idea of whats needed so people dont suggest cars etc

[Bearded Midget]

Wow, it seems to me like everyone from Braintree who rides trials is an idiot? Good luck getting people to go to your park if you're all going to act like dicks whenever someone makes a valid point which you don't like.

f**k you we dont act like dicks, you dont even know me so f**k off, why dont you stop ripping charlie for f**k sake and get a life

back to topic

and we saw the land we had and it IS about 50m long and as alain just stated and alains comment is probably the best in this topic

(we know what weve got, charlie didnt point out the correct bit of land, but that was sorted out during the topic and stated by matt yet u still rip charlie so go get a life)

we wernt arguing against the truth, we wer pointin out the area the person who made the topic

but as has been said during the topic that wasnt the bit of land we are getting, and it IS about 50meters long which none of you are listening to us telling you this...

now please leave the topic for advise etc rather than telling each other to f**k off as ive had my fair share for the day

[JonMack]

f**k you we dont act like dicks, you dont even know me so f**k off, why dont you stop ripping charlie for f**k sake and get a life

QFT

[Simon]

f**k you we dont act like dicks, you dont even know me so f**k off, why dont you stop ripping charlie for f**k sake and get a life

Good luck trying to get any more useful advice from people of here now.

Nor expect many people to come ride this.

[Bearded Midget]

dont perticually mind as you will never come down anyway, this forum is so shit........

[Fish-Finger-er]

f**k you we dont act like dicks, you dont even know me so f**k off, why dont you stop ripping charlie for f**k sake and get a life

back to topic

and we saw the land we had and it IS about 50m long and as alain just stated and alains comment is probably the best in this topic

(we know what weve got, charlie didnt point out the correct bit of land, but that was sorted out during the topic and stated by matt yet u still rip charlie so go get a life)

but as has been said during the topic that wasnt the bit of land we are getting, and it IS about 50meters long which none of you are listening to us telling you this...

now please leave the topic for advise etc rather than telling each other to f**k off as ive had my fair share for the day

swearing on the internet, name calling, hey why dont you pm me a left hook while your at it.

as for what you keep saying about the size of the land, i was going on what was given by iCharlie, as he was supposedly in the know about it.

1 definitive answer to the space you have, and what you can put in there, is all we need to give advice.

charlie gives an area or 320 square metres or so. your giving an area of 1250 square metres, and somebody else is saying 1250 square metres, plus a hill side. i hope you can understand that when the area changes 400% in size within 2 posts, your going to be getting different replies, some of which are totally unsuitable.

also iCharlie never mentioned no cars, never mentioned, that it wanted a natural look in keeping with a nature park to it.

and mr braintree trials. up their on your moderately sized shetland pony of none shitness, if something is shit, you dont normally bother with it. tonights dinner looks shit, so im not bothering with it, eastenders is shit, im not going to watch it. this forums so shit to you, so why come on here.

right now thats cleared up. to the only person whos so far given information and been civil on your park.

kid creole: if your not allowed many none natural objects on there. then it is just logs, and rocks, then its up to you and your friends imagination+ the resources available. i.e are the logs going to be dumped down there, a jcb man moves them round for an hour, job done, thats the end of it, thats how it stays apart from the small bits you can move yourself. or are you gunna have a load of stuff dumped down there, given a couple of days to mull it over, then have 3 days with a bloke with a jcb and a chainsaw to come in and do what you want with it. also if its dumped, will you be abled to bring a suitably competent adult(i.e a willing parent for beer money) in with a chainsaw. to alter logs etc( as a 10 foot long, 2 foot diameter log aint that fun, but cuttin triangular points out of it say 18 inches- 2 foot apart. you suddenly get something thats a lot more fun/technical to try and hop along on the back wheel)

if it is all logs and rocks, id suggest asking most kindly if you could have a small section(only a few metres each way) and say 30 pallets(perhaps with something to cover them in a natural colour, army style tarp etc, if they want it to look natural when not in use) as it really would mean you could practice your urban riding. taps. sidehops, gaps etc, much better, and there so useful to help you progress, moving the stacks 2-3 inches further apart, whackin an extra pallet on. and are useful for people of all abilities)/

[Captain Scarlet]

Reece, I don't think you have any grounds to argue against Jon, no need to use that language either.

He helped by submitting an idea, Charlie disagreed, started an argument and you didn't consider what the argument was, but to swear instead,

Your in the wrong.

The area I thought the bloke decided upon was this obvious triangle.

Triangle

You may have to click and drag the cursor to the bottom right corner a bit.

The man who oversaw our ideas says that he wants a good product from it, something that fits the landscape, like it is meant to be there, and not like it has been dumped there.

I think we have really covered what is needed, but for this to persue further we actually need to get some working drawings together, and work out how big the obstacles are, how many there are, and how much space is used.

Edited December 17, 2007 by Fugley

[Mr Rankin]

Hey Charlie, this sounds really promising. You can make a great trials area with the space provided IMO A trials park (small of not) is better than no trials park!

I would ride there rather a lot if there was natural obstacles, as they are so hard to find round my way lol

I dont wont to argue with anyone here so please to think this is aimed at anyone but; to make a gap for example, you dont have to have a stack of 2 pallets with a large gap to another stack of 2 pallets as that is wasting space and is useless for other moves. Putting obstacles of varying sizes together with smallish space between them can open up so many different lines, gapping across ways, up, down or multiple gaps or whatever you can manage. You catch my drift .............

anyways... well done for getting it approved but stop bad mouthing everyone and the forum man!

[Bearded Midget]

no need to use that language either.

He helped by submitting an idea, Charlie disagreed, started an argument and you didn't consider what the argument was, but to swear instead,

the fact nobody listents is why im pissed off, and they basically "bully" charlie in every topic he creates

p.s *bad day aswell*

back to topic. it will have to be natural because the discovery centre needs it to look *good* and be hard wearing, so no pallets etc, as this will not be strong enough and they will not get it insured. so mainly logs rocks etc as has been said,

if anyone can create some designs or drawings etc to create ideas for sections then be my guest, i believe nick dale has made a few but we need several different designs, we have asked the guy if we can randomly drop rocks but he saiud the discovery centre will want a plan, which may make it a bit harder to design but im sure someone can create something...........or photos etc....anything that shows sections really........

[NileBrown™]

dont perticually mind as you will never come down anyway, this forum is so shit........

This Forum certainly aint shit, its the fact that people like charlie just step over the line when it gets to responses. Which is why charlie has been banned several times for saying things he really shouldn't. As for you Braintreetrials, just chill out and stop being aggressive on here, you don't like the forum, don't use it.

On more of a happier note, When is this schedualed to be finished?

[Bearded Midget]

This Forum certainly aint shit, its the fact that people like charlie just step over the line when it gets to responses. Which is why charlie has been banned several times for saying things he really shouldn't. As for you Braintreetrials, just chill out and stop being aggressive on here, you don't like the forum, don't use it.

On more of a happier note, When is this schedualed to be finished?

believe me i wouldnt use it if i didnt need the rides locations thread and stuff like that. as a matter of fact im so fed up with peoples bullshit on here i might just not use it again. but by doing certain people will think they have won, which i am not willing to let happen

oh btw my internet is being really shitty and its taken me about 20minutes of continuously turning my router on a nd off to posts this....so im begging you to make me not post agen cause im really stressed out now

much love Reece

[Fish-Finger-er]

Hey Charlie, this sounds really promising. You can make a great trials area with the space provided IMO A trials park (small of not) is better than no trials park!

I would ride there rather a lot if there was natural obstacles, as they are so hard to find round my way lol

I dont wont to argue with anyone here so please to think this is aimed at anyone but; to make a gap for example, you dont have to have a stack of 2 pallets with a large gap to another stack of 2 pallets as that is wasting space and is useless for other moves. Putting obstacles of varying sizes together with smallish space between them can open up so many different lines, gapping across ways, up, down or multiple gaps or whatever you can manage. You catch my drift .............

everyone with half a brain(i.e everyone accept risk assessment+ health and safety) knows its wasting space and is very limiting. but im sure you will agree with me on the following points

1) its part of a trials park, gaps will be wanted/needed.

2)the park is going to have to be have public liability insurance as braintree trials said. (something which i think a few of us had taken into account, but it just hadnt been mentioned). and this is where you hit the sticky subject that makes for so much wasted space. health and safety brigade. as has already been stated at the bike show, none of the trials obstacles could be place within their own height of another obstacle in case they topple over/fall. expect no different here.

Then expect those risk assessment people to come in, with the most pessismistic outlook on life ever and a measuring tape to boot. they will look at it like this "how likely is someone to fall off their bicycle while negotiating these obstacles? highly" see at the bike show, this wouldnt of been an issue, as everyone riding the demo will be at the skill level required, and also will have been made to sign liability waiver forms before they rode, clearing the organisers of any liability, should one of these people fall off. but at your trials park, anyman and his dog will be allowed to ride, with no skill level required, and no waiver form signed.

they will then go, "say child A jumps to log 1, which is 3 foot high, at which point he loses his balance, he then falls in an unknown direction, from a 3 foot high obstacle. his standing height on the bike is 7 foot. so providing he falls off to the side, till his shoulders stop him hitting the ground, his head will be 7 foot away from the edge of the obstacle+ the 1 foot his bike moved in the 3 foot drop, thats 8 foot. you cannot place any obstacles within 8 foot of log 1"

may sound crap, but its how it works, go look at a childs play ground, note how theres nothing in front of way in front of the slide, they view the worst case scenario(i.e the child sliding down the slide, till there feet are 2 foot in front of the slide, they go to their feet, the forward momentum stumbles them forward a further 2 foot, and they then fall flat on their face. with their face 8 foot away from the slide) same with the rubber flooring /bark extending for ages to the front and back of the slides, to the point that no matter how hard you jumped off the swing, youd never get to the grass/concrete.

its about minimizing the risk of serious injury should the worst happen. and unfortunately this is quite likely to piss on your chips all through the project.

[MattB]

Trouble is you can't give them a plan of a natural park without knowing what we can get out hands on.

Try showing them pictures of hook woods and the trials park in parc catalunya.

Matt

[NileBrown™]

everyone with half a brain(i.e everyone accept risk assessment+ health and safety) knows its wasting space and is very limiting. but im sure you will agree with me on the following points

1) its part of a trials park, gaps will be wanted/needed.

2)the park is going to have to be have public liability insurance as braintree trials said. (something which i think a few of us had taken into account, but it just hadnt been mentioned). and this is where you hit the sticky subject that makes for so much wasted space. health and safety brigade. as has already been stated at the bike show, none of the trials obstacles could be place within their own height of another obstacle in case they topple over/fall. expect no different here.

Then expect those risk assessment people to come in, with the most pessismistic outlook on life ever and a measuring tape to boot. they will look at it like this "how likely is someone to fall off their bicycle while negotiating these obstacles? highly" see at the bike show, this wouldnt of been an issue, as everyone riding the demo will be at the skill level required, and also will have been made to sign liability waiver forms before they rode, clearing the organisers of any liability, should one of these people fall off. but at your trials park, anyman and his dog will be allowed to ride, with no skill level required, and no waiver form signed.

they will then go, "say child A jumps to log 1, which is 3 foot high, at which point he loses his balance, he then falls in an unknown direction, from a 3 foot high obstacle. his standing height on the bike is 7 foot. so providing he falls off to the side, till his shoulders stop him hitting the ground, his head will be 7 foot away from the edge of the obstacle+ the 1 foot his bike moved in the 3 foot drop, thats 8 foot. you cannot place any obstacles within 8 foot of log 1"

may sound crap, but its how it works, go look at a childs play ground, note how theres nothing in front of way in front of the slide, they view the worst case scenario(i.e the child sliding down the slide, till there feet are 2 foot in front of the slide, they go to their feet, the forward momentum stumbles them forward a further 2 foot, and they then fall flat on their face. with their face 8 foot away from the slide) same with the rubber flooring /bark extending for ages to the front and back of the slides, to the point that no matter how hard you jumped off the swing, youd never get to the grass/concrete.

its about minimizing the risk of serious injury should the worst happen. and unfortunately this is quite likely to piss on your chips all through the project.

Yes but what about skate parks etc? They have risks in which we need to take into account but they still build them, I guess its more of you hurt yourself, its your own fault...

[James Quigley]

Or they could do what our local council done in one skatepark....

.....''this skateparks falling to pieces, lets take the fences down and put up a sign saying ride at your own risk and then ignore the park completely.''

okay so the sign was more in depth than that, saying helmets to be worn etc, but you get the point

[Rich Pearson]

dont perticually mind as you will never come down anyway, this forum is so shit........

If you feel the forum is, as you put it, "shit," then I'm assuming you will have no issue with me suspending your account for the next three days.

Rich

[Fish-Finger-er]

Yes but what about skate parks etc? They have risks in which we need to take into account but they still build them, I guess its more of you hurt yourself, its your own fault...

yea and risk assessments are done, on council skateparks, you very very rarely see obstacles clumped together, or within certain distances of one another. even the little 6 inch grind rails, generally have a large floor space round them. as opposed to runnin a foot from a jumbox.

not saying you cant have obstacles close together, but your visions of a park of loads of close together obstacles will likely be ruined by healt and safety.