Rusevelt Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 (edited) I think its fair to say that whenever this question/enqury comes up, most of us favor the low bb (bottom bracket) and slate the high bb right! so my question is why is the GU typhoon the most sucessful high bb stock frame on the market where past high bb stock frames have failed? most of us slated the first generation high bb frames of KOXX, ZOO, and ADAMANT. so why has the Typhoon stood the test of time considering it is probably the most difficult frame to get use to? Oh yeah, isnt a high bb a slight cheating height advantage for sidehops because when on the backwheel, your effectively standing a few inches higher (before preloading to sidehop) than a low bb? is the GU wheelbase, chainstay, and headangle geometry spot on for such a high bb, or have most gu owners just gotten used to the geo over time? Is Damon Watson just a freak of nature by being an exceptional rider, or is does his bike play a big part of his massive riding....considering his past rides have been high bb bikes? Edited December 10, 2007 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deonn h Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I didnt have to get used to the high bb really , just felt normal.No it int cheating as you still have to get your tyre up there so its the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_pimp Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I went from a Saracen (-5mm) to and Ashton (0mm) ti a Zoo (+5mm) to a GU (+60)Each change felt like a progression, and going from the zoo to the GU was the biggest leap, found it hard to start with, as I kept riding with the front wheel way to high, and the bike is really skitty on the back wheel.But once I had got used to it, it felt better.The raised BB brings your hips forward, which gives your a better line to deliver the power.It makes the big less stable on 2 wheels, but more refined and more easliy tuned on 1.I dont think BBs should go higher than 60mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I went from a Saracen (-5mm) to and Ashton (0mm) ti a Zoo (+5mm) to a GU (+60)Each change felt like a progression, and going from the zoo to the GU was the biggest leap, found it hard to start with, as I kept riding with the front wheel way to high, and the bike is really skitty on the back wheel.But once I had got used to it, it felt better.The raised BB brings your hips forward, which gives your a better line to deliver the power.It makes the big less stable on 2 wheels, but more refined and more easliy tuned on 1.I dont think BBs should go higher than 60mm.definately, riding along rails is damn hard now, on my control it just happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aener Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I can't really comment, as I've got a T-Pro (+25?) - and that's all I've ever had...But I've always thought that a really high - within reason - BB would help with more power for gaps...Not sidehops - yes, you're higher off the ground to start with - but you still have to get the same amount higher than the wall to stick it.Gaps - it would seem to me, that you just have a better line... Low BB - hips hit the bars if you lean and push at the same angle as a high... But with a high, you go over the bars, and further past. ...Resulting in more power. (Longer time of pressure on the takeoff point.)^^^ So, pretty much what he said Hahaha.(Bit more elaborated though.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigman Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Gaps - it would seem to me, that you just have a better line... Low BB - hips hit the bars if you lean and push at the same angle as a high... But with a high, you go over the bars, and further past. ...Resulting in more power. (Longer time of pressure on the takeoff point.)Yes, but most people who have a high BB would compensate by bringing the bars up too, so you are still likely to hit your bars, i know i did on my BT6 (+40mm)...AdamPS: High Bb sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogre Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 i like high bb stocks? i want a vinco +80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Yes, but most people who have a high BB would compensate by bringing the bars up too, so you are still likely to hit your bars, i know i did on my BT6 (+40mm)...AdamPS: High Bb sucks bullshut.high bb is good IMO i prefer high ATM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Garland Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 I did not like high bb bikes, however I do quite like some rise, between 20-40 I find nice anything more and I find it too weird to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve@banbury-trials Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 high bb makes rear wheel control easyier,but stuff like manuals are harder to get the front wheel up for.well i have exhausted my high bb facts now,hope i've helped lolsteve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted December 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 (edited) Yeah i also noticed that Damon Watson has the most super stable backwheel control without the use of correction hops (apart from Balaey, Coustelliers, and co) ive seen from any rider and thats partly because when hes at the perfect backwheel balance point, i notice the bb axle line is sitting at 12 O clock position (which is the same feeling as standing directly on top of the backwheel tire). obviously riding along balance lines is harder because the higher centre of gravity on the bike so you have to change your foot pedal position by keeping your toes pointing inwards. anyway enough of the techincal jargon, i just figured that the Typhoon would have flaked outta fashion along the other deng high bb bikes, obviously i was sure wrong. Edited December 10, 2007 by Rusevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cristoff Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 high bb makes rear wheel control easyier,but stuff like manuals are harder to get the front wheel up for.well i have exhausted my high bb facts now,hope i've helped lolsteveMy A3 short is +60, and it manuals like a biatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 high bb frames makes the thing in front of you look smaller and easier to get up as your higher... it may sound stupid but when i ride my mates zoo pitbul (low bb) a 40" wall looks about 50" compared to when im on my GU, iv had my GU for a year now and have got used to the balance issues and love it!! and considering im probs waaaay better on natty compared to street it cant be bad for ballance on 2 wheels lol, you all so have alot more clearence over stuff, which realy helps for natty and stuff as you can shunt over bigger things without gettin you bash stuck.... and on a normal wall unless you go at an angle your bash CANT actualy hit the wall... it also makes hoock easier as your feet arnt so tucked under the wall when you hit it ...if you get me? i hate loww bb (zoo etc) now, it feels like im riding my dads mountain bike... just feel bulky and heavy like theres 2 tone forks on it.. and i cant 'flick' it around... i quite like things in between though like czars.... but still prefer my GU My A3 short is +60, and it manuals like a biatch all 20"s are easy as f uc k to maual lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 My A3 short is +60, and it manuals like a biatch all mods manual, but how can you have good rear wheel control and not be able to manual, thats a contradiction in its own right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 I'm changing from a Hifi (possibly the most ripped on frame?! ) to an '07 Czar. I'll let you know how i get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted December 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 all mods manual, but how can you have good rear wheel control and not be able to manual, thats a contradiction in its own rightBecause the balance point for backwheel control and manuals on high bb bikes are different in terms of body position. you cant maintain good backwheel trials control if you contort/tuck your body in a typical manual postion. and its virtually impossible to manual with your frontwheel high and bars close to your chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_travis Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 To answer your question about damon....he is seriously just an amazing rider. When he started, he was on low bb bikes and was awesome on them. He was doing 50" sidehops on his onza t-rex when he got that.Freak o nature, however i think high bb will help for sidehops, mine did anyway, however for anything else it wasnt as great. Anything that requires keeping the bike to back wheel well is better on a high bb!thats my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashley26 Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 My Pashley manuals like a BEAST !!!!I've never quite got the whole point in Bike geometry, i've not ridden that many bikes...And wierdly enough one of the nicest feeling bike's i've ridden trials on was an 08 Specialized rockhopper !!!But i ridee VERY oldskool.Jarrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon W Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 typhoon int goin anywere!its here too stay lolits because its the most succsessful high bb frame Deng makes and people know it has the edge over the old hifi's a1's pitbulls n all the resta the shizznaso it jus got continued as for the geometryits true 2 wheel balance lines are harder then on low bb bikesand backwheel, control is the same, bacause on low bb bikes i find u can bring the bars right into your chest.but i jus enjoy the way high bb rides, iv grown to like it and it ideal for my type of riding, so iv jus sticked to it, i hardly tap anyway, so dunt matter to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 i hardly tap anyway, so dunt matter to me my gu taps pretty f**king well if im honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Think high bb frames are rank, and around 30 is where its at. I get on a gu and think im going to fall over bars because of the rise. I had one and kept it 2days. I think why the gu was such a hit was because it was such a unusally desgin at the time and people just thought it looked so cool and with so many riders these days not looking at geo and not paying so much attention to it but more going off what people say and the looks, couple that with the TGS style everyones bumming at the mo damon helped it along as hes a big street rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boswell Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I can't really comment, as I've got a T-Pro (+25?) - and that's all I've ever had...But I've always thought that a really high - within reason - BB would help with more power for gaps...Not sidehops - yes, you're higher off the ground to start with - but you still have to get the same amount higher than the wall to stick it.Gaps - it would seem to me, that you just have a better line... Low BB - hips hit the bars if you lean and push at the same angle as a high... But with a high, you go over the bars, and further past. ...Resulting in more power. (Longer time of pressure on the takeoff point.)^^^ So, pretty much what he said Hahaha.(Bit more elaborated though.)I think you'll find T-pros have about 50mm BB rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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