The Music Thread.

[Muel]

Jon, I have checked out every band that you told me about, but I just didn't like them!

I'm not talking about this any more, because I don't want to fall out.

I like the music I like, and I can appreciate the bands you recommend are very good, but they are just not for me. I'm not going to defend my musical taste any more, I like the bands I like.

I don't just listen to metal, I listen to some dance/trance type stuff as well, but I don't really like any of it, it's just better background noise as I don't end up concentrating on it.

[JonMack]

Isn't it short for independant?

My mistake, my point still stands about looking/sounding the same thouth.

to tell someone else that they are wrong when it comes to music is like telling someone they are wrong to hold the beliefs they hold. Music is personal taste. I tend to agree with you on A7x, but I would never tell someone that they are wrong to think they are great...

I don't have a higher opinion of music, I know f**k all about it really. Wrong was the wrong word, it just get's me worked up that Muel rates such a bad band so highly. There are so many better bands than them, it just annoys me.

Jon, I have checked out every band that you told me about, but I just didn't like them!

I'm not talking about this any more, because I don't want to fall out.

I like the music I like, and I can appreciate the bands you recommend are very good, but they are just not for me. I'm not going to defend my musical taste any more, I like the bands I like.

I don't just listen to metal, I listen to some dance/trance type stuff as well, but I don't really like any of it, it's just better background noise as I don't end up concentrating on it.

We're not gonna fall out, I'm just trying to make you see that A7x aren't this super amazing band that you tend to see them as. I'm pretty sure anyone with any knowledge of metal, such as Circus, doesn't regard them as anything special what so ever.

[JD™]

There are so many better bands than them, it just annoys me.

i'm valuing it all, and i think you're a sound guy from what i've seen since i've been back on here. but i still think that saying you're annoyed because there's so many "better" bands out there just sounds silly. I like clover, if you prefer flora that doesn't make it "better", it just makes it your opinion, which is respected.

[MadManMike]

i'm valuing it all, and i think you're a sound guy from what i've seen since i've been back on here. but i still think that saying you're annoyed because there's so many "better" bands out there just sounds silly. I like clover, if you prefer flora that doesn't make it "better", it just makes it your opinion, which is respected.

To be fair though, musicians or people that know often do get annoyed.

It's like when people say Busted are better than whatever - they aren't, they are a commercial load of shite that use the same boring old pop-rock template because mindless 11 year old girls will buy it. Some narrow minded guy will stick up for them because they've never played in a band or written music.

[JonMack]

I guess it's the fact from the amount of shows I've been to, I've watched numerous hardcore, metal, pop punk, ska, indie, rock, etc. bands, and I've seen a few which are a lot more talented than A7x, both musically and lyrically, yet because they're playing small venues for die hard fans, they dont get nearly as much recognition as some bad band whos got lucky in striking a record deal.

[JD™]

is it wrong now to say that I liked busted?

having been on a couple of dates with hell is for heroes back in the days when they were signed and doing pretty well, I would - and I could obviously be wrong - not be a good enough musician to be able to tell. Then again, I could just be sticking up for a free choice of opinion on music because it's an emotional power where the brain should not be engaged. If it makes you smile, frown, laugh or cry at the times when you need to do any of those things then it is good music - to you.

I would be happy to, and often do, find myself listening to 36 Crazyfists, Busted, The Fall of Troy, Metallica, Brand New and Jack Penate one after the other on random. I'm not doing a "holier than thou" speech on anyone, because my taste is somewhat eclectic and strange but these are just the prototypical ramblings of a 21 year old teenager who holds music dear and doesn't feel anyone should think right and wrong in music as it closes avenues that would otherwise be open and emotional.

[Fishy]

I guess it's the fact from the amount of shows I've been to, I've watched numerous hardcore, metal, pop punk, ska, indie, rock, etc. bands, and I've seen a few which are a lot more talented than A7x, both musically and lyrically, yet because they're playing small venues for die hard fans, they dont get nearly as much recognition as some bad band whos got lucky in striking a record deal.

You ever seen/heard Howards Alias ? Possibly one of my favorite bands ever ever ever, and they are from your kind of area-ish.

[Ben Swales]

It's the narrow-mindedness as well - how can anyone only like one form of music?

Most genre's steal elements from each other, like if you like Trance you'll probably like to relax to classical as most songs pinch stuff from old classical tracks (Barber's Adagio For Strings being the most commercial I would guess). A lot of dance music has funk / reggae samples, hence I love funk and reggae too. Indie is branching out into more electro sounds so most indie fans are starting to enjoy electro and house music - proper funky house has some soul elements.... etc...

word.

i don't unserstand how people can claim to only like one genre of music these days - firstly, there's so much crossover these days, how do you know what genre's what (without inventing umpteen sub-genres)? and do you not get bored? I started off listening to 70's punk rock (although the first music i can remember is my Dad listening to Talking Heads while i played legos) and swore i didn't need to listen to anything else, but you can't - it's natural progression - in my case (somewhat simplified for this post), i got into reggae through the clash, ska and dub through reggae, electro, hip-hop and dance through dub...and there's SO much more that i like and have discovered since i first started listening to music properly. that's what i love about music, that no matter how much you have, how much you claim to know, there's ALWAYS more to hear and more to learn. so being so narrow minded as to say that metal's shit, or indie's rubbish is an attitude that i just can't understand. admittedly, the run of the mill chart 'indie' that we hear today does seem to be carbon copy pap (for example, i'm not singling out that type of music - i could say the same about a lot of today's 'metal', 'punk' or any other genre or sub-genre of music) but indie music didn't start in 2005, just as avenged sevenfold aren't the first ever metal band. all you have to do is delve a little deeper, which for me is one of the most pleasurable things about music, and you'll realise that there's so much more to be discovered. i couldn't (and wouldn't even dare to try to) name all the genres of music i like, or even that i don't like. regardless of whether i think metallica are shit, i love black sabbath. i might hate the pidgeon detectives, but i think sonic youth are f**king brilliant. my brother only likes the music they play on the radio - i wind him up that he doesn't really 'like music' because he doesn't know anything about any bands or genres or histories, but he does of course; he knows all the words and tunes to all the current hits, most of which i have no idea about, and who am i to judge?

Edited March 20, 2008 by Benji Swales

[Max Quinn]

word.

i don't unserstand how people can claim to only like one genre of music these days - firstly, there's so much crossover these days, how do you know what genre's what (without inventing umpteen sub-genres)? and do you not get bored? I started off listening to 70's punk rock (although the first music i can remember is my Dad listening to Talking Heads while i played legos) and swore i didn't need to listen to anything else, but you can't - it's natural progression - in my case (somewhat simplified for this post), i got into reggae through the clash, ska and dub through reggae, electro, hip-hop and dance through dub...and there's SO much more that i like and have discovered since i first started listening to music properly. that's what i love about music, that no matter how much you have, how much you claim to know, there's ALWAYS more to hear and more to learn. so being so narrow minded as to say that metal's shit, or indie's rubbish is an attitude that i just can't understand. admittedly, the run of the mill chart 'indie' that we hear today does seem to be carbon copy pap (for example, i'm not singling out that type of music - i could say the same about a lot of today's 'metal', 'punk' or any other genre or sub-genre of music) but indie music didn't start in 2005, just as avenged sevenfold aren't the first ever metal band. all you have to do is delve a little deeper, which for me is one of the most pleasurable things about music, and you'll realise that there's so much more to be discovered. i couldn't (and wouldn't even dare to try to) name all the genres of music i like, or even that i don't like. regardless of whether i think metallica are shit, i love black sabbath. i might hate the pidgeon detectives, but i think sonic youth are f**king brilliant. my brother only likes the music they play on the radio - i wind him up that he doesn't really 'like music' because he doesn't know anything about any bands or genres or histories, but he does of course; he knows all the words and tunes to all the current hits, most of which i have no idea about, and who am i to judge?

To be honest what annoys me even more then people being super narrow minded with music tastes is when people branch out but in a half arsed way to be cool. When they like, pretend they're not narrow minded but they are.

At the minute round here say it seems to be a trend for the little emos to say they like hip hop and that their music tasts is really broad and shit. Basically they listen to all their screamy crap and then they download 1 Cypress Hill song, buy a Lethal B album and then act like they're all dons of Hip Hop. It's like people leech of other cultures they have no part in (through their own choice) just to look cool. that f**ks me off.

[Ben Swales]

i see what you're saying, but then these days, with acts like gallows and the arctic monkeys collaborating with lethal bizzle, linkin park with Jay-Z, and Dangermouse's Grey Album, there is that cross over with those genres aswell - admittedly they're not branching out much, and maybe not very imaginatively, but at least they are.

unfortunately, music is and always has been one of those subjects that provokes massive differences of opinion, and of course, everyone has different tastes. there's another debate that we could get into here, about the idea of taste, and the intrinsic ideas of good and bad tastes, but that's really getting sidetracked.

[JonMack]

so being so narrow minded as to say that metal's shit, or indie's rubbish is an attitude that i just can't understand.

I'll admit, I dislike those two genres of music, but I didn't actually go into any further detail to what my musical tastes are, did i?

Just a quick glance through my iTunes, there's shit from Björk, Sia, Zero7, Cascada, Boards Of Canada, Chromeo, The Faint, Fischerspooner, Imogen Heap, Pendulum, Radiohead, TV On The Radio, Armor For Sleep, Brand New, Coheed and Cambria, Jimmy Eat World, The Mars Volta, Taking Back Sunday, Straylight Run, Atmosphere, Brother Ali, Buck 65, Cecil Otter, The Roots, Dangermouse & Jemini, Dangerdoom, Dangermouse & Jay Z, Dilated Peoples, El-P, Eminem, Jurrasic 5, Method Man, MF Doom, Pharcyde, RJD2, Saul Williams, Sage Francis, Wu Tang, Final Fantasy, Modest Mouse, Genesis, Justin Timberlake, Level 42, The Smiths, Talk Talk, etc. etc. etc.

I could go on, but believe me, my music is not limited to JUST hardcore, I listed to all sorts of shit. With over 9000 songs it would be near impossible to just like one genre of music.

EDIT: I worked out the other day the first two hip-hop/rap songs I remember listening to properly were Busta Rhymes - Woo Ha (Got you All In Check) and Jurrasic 5 - Concrete Schoolyard. Busta Rhymes - The Coming and J5 - s/t were released in 1996/1997 respectively, so it's safe to say I've been listening to hip-hop for the last 11-12 years, it wasnt until about 5 years ago I started to get into music such as The Mars Volta, Coheed, etc. etc. as I considered "rock" music to be shit. Recently my music tastes have become so diverse I regularly sit around listening to Craig David, Cascada, JT, etc, because it puts me in a decent mood. I think I'm one of the least narrow minded people ever when it comes to music.

Edited March 20, 2008 by JonMack

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

no will smith no care.

[JonMack]

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

oh no he diin't

+10 points if you have got the album version of 'Summertime'

[MadManMike]

I'll admit, I dislike those two genres of music

You can't really say that though, I mean Indie varies massively - I'm not into mellow stuff like The Editors (They are ok, but not great) but then there's stuff like Shy Child - much more dance music based but still with "real instruments". Indie branches out into loads of different genres so you can't say you don't like Indie. Well you can if you don't like Reggae, Electro, Funk, Soul....

[Max Quinn]

i see what you're saying, but then these days, with acts like gallows and the arctic monkeys collaborating with lethal bizzle, linkin park with Jay-Z, and Dangermouse's Grey Album, there is that cross over with those genres aswell - admittedly they're not branching out much, and maybe not very imaginatively, but at least they are.

Yer i definately see what you mean, and i respect those artists ALOT from bridging genres. But at the same time if you really LOVE a particular type of music then it kinda becomes a part of a persons identity if you ask me. So these little scene kids just jumping on the bandwagon are almost stealing someones identity. Fair play to them if they seriously like Hip Hop and want to get into it, but alot of them don't and just seem to listen to 1 song from another genre just so they can say they had a 'wide music taste'. I just think if your going to jump into a culture (because thats definately what each music genre is) then you should take the time to know your way around it a little bit.

*I'm not going to say i have the widest music taste either, but it's wide enough. I listen to NO heavy metal and punk stuff really just cos i don't enjoy it but listen to pretty much everything else. Mainly UK and underground hip hop but i care alot for indie and also love reggae, drum and bass (and all the subgenres of that), classical (although more the upbeat Penguin Cafe Orchestra typa stuff) and then all the relaxed stuff like Four Tet etc and also more rocky stuff like Kings of Leon.

I don't think peoples music tastes should be artificially wide. People shouldn't be narrow minded and should give other stuff a try but if you don't like it then fair enough don't pretend too. That way people will definately find their music tastes broadening but not just to fit in to the crowd.

[JonMack]

oh no he diin't

+10 points if you have got the album version of 'Summertime'

I dunno, this is the only album I have..

You can't really say that though, I mean Indie varies massively - I'm not into mellow stuff like The Editors (They are ok, but not great) but then there's stuff like Shy Child - much more dance music based but still with "real instruments". Indie branches out into loads of different genres so you can't say you don't like Indie. Well you can if you don't like Reggae, Electro, Funk, Soul....

Okay in that case I dislike stuff such as The Killers, Scouting For Girls, The Hoosiers, Bloc Party, The Libertines, Dirty Pretty Things, Babyshambles, Kings Of Leon, etc.

I dunno what sub genre of music they come under, but that's the kinda stuff I dislike. I guess it's just considered pop music these days as it's all in the charts.

[Ben Swales]

i'm not accusing any one person of being narrow minded, nor asking anyone to prove that they're not, just pointing out that anyone who says that they dislike any one genre of music, such as metal or indie isn't seein the bigger picture. if you like hardcore (for example), you like bands that have been influenced by and evolved from punk and metal, as i'm sure you will agree, so i suppose there must be some metal bands that you'll like. i'm not trying to single anyone out, just trying to point out that music has too rich and entwined a history to be able to say that you don't like ANY music said to be of a cetain genre, and that i don't understand how anyone could claim to be able to do so.

[JonMack]

i'm not accusing any one person of being narrow minded, nor asking anyone to prove that they're not, just pointing out that anyone who says that they dislike any one genre of music, such as metal or indie isn't seein the bigger picture. if you like hardcore (for example), you like bands that have been influenced by and evolved from punk and metal, as i'm sure you will agree, so i suppose there must be some metal bands that you'll like. i'm not trying to single anyone out, just trying to point out that music has too rich and entwined a history to be able to say that you don't like ANY music said to be of a cetain genre, and that i don't understand how anyone could claim to be able to do so.

Yeah I'm not denying it's been influenced by all sorts of genres, and there may well be a few metal bands I like, but on the whole, I don't get the same buzz I do from watching/listening to a hardcore band, I like being able to hear the lyrics and make sense of them, and with most metal bands you can't, which is what I dislike about it.

I'm not denying some bands I listen to have elements of metal, or indie in them, but if someone offered to play me some metal, I'd most likely turn them down because I just dislike listening to it.

[Max Quinn]

i'm not accusing any one person of being narrow minded, nor asking anyone to prove that they're not, just pointing out that anyone who says that they dislike any one genre of music, such as metal or indie isn't seein the bigger picture. if you like hardcore (for example), you like bands that have been influenced by and evolved from punk and metal, as i'm sure you will agree, so i suppose there must be some metal bands that you'll like. i'm not trying to single anyone out, just trying to point out that music has too rich and entwined a history to be able to say that you don't like ANY music said to be of a cetain genre, and that i don't understand how anyone could claim to be able to do so.

Well i have no idea on the genres when we go into heavy kinda music but to me, if someone screams down the microphone into my ear it just doesn't sound good at all and ruins otherwise not too terrible (but wouldn't really listen to it) instrument playing. So i can pretty safely say that i do not like anything from those screamy screamy genres. I'm pretty sure others can say the same.

And saying you'll like a band just cos a band you like has been influenced by them doesn't really roll with me to be honest. Sure they might have been influenced by other bands but in my eyes they've improved on the banmd they've taken influence from. Taken the good aspects and replaced the bad aspect with something good. Metaphorically say, if a band was influenced by a heavy metal screamy screamy band to use similair guitar riffs but the singing etc is completely different. Then maybe there's a possibility i would like them. But i sitll wouldn't like the original band.

[James-M]

Just found a cool band 'Relient K'. Kinda like Bowling For Soup really. I have such a massive range of styles I like so it's all good!

[Ross Gardner]

Few local bands

Textbook Jackets

MylesFinch

[Sneakers O'Toole]

Just listening to my old NOFX albums and its taking me back to when i was 14-15 going to gigs at local pubs and trying to get served. A load of us would go out, buy 20 cigs each listen to some music get hammered and try pull the pretty punk girls. Wake up in the morning stinking of cigs and with a nasty hangover then off to school. Really fun times. A few of my mates were in bands so we'd get on stage and arse around, sing along, play the cymbals. It's really given me the urge to go to the 1 in 12 club in Bradford and just hang out. I wish i was 15 again.

[TheCircus]

Basically, to sum up what has been concluded by this thread, I would say that you can't like mainstream music because it's gay and it makes you look gay. The solution to this is to name only the most obscure extreme music you can, namedrop some unheard of bands, and profit.

[Greetings]

Hope this is the right thread to ask about such things

Does anybody know the tune @6:20? Can't really catch the lyrics

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