psycholist Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 I'm thinking of replacing my current 3 year old (I think - I got it second/third/4th hand) Echo pure. I really like the way the current bike rides, so something similar but better (Higher BB possibly - is this a good idea?) is what I'm after. I want something that's very comfortable on the back wheel...I've got a Pashley TV series fork, but I'd probably go with an Echo fork too...I plan to run it singlespeed and with Maguras on the back.What other bikes should I look at? I pretty much am the trials scene in my area, so I can't try other people's bikes .First and foremost I want something strong - not too worried about the weight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve@banbury-trials Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 zoo! pitbulls a fairly well known for there strength ( http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?id=2031 ),im afraid i dont about any other frames but i imagine others will add to this topic shortly.steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnytrials Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Get one Echo Control, one of the best frames ever.this is my bike updated with avid bb7 disc brake:Echo Control 2007/2008.1060wb/+20bb high.avid bb7/echo hidro brake.acs freewheel, zoo cranks/zoo rock ring/echo head set/kmc kool chain/first bb/echo rims/echo flat bars/cst front tire 2,35/gti-pro rear tire 2,45/10,900 grams the full bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Anscombe Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 agree mate has a nice echo control its the short version ...super nice to ridestrong as hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnytrials Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 thanx mate. The control it´s vey sweet to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted November 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 That's a class looking bike - now I really want one . My current setup has a 1080mm wheelbase and what looks like no BB rise at all. How different is the Control likely to feel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netherking Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Get one Echo Control, one of the best frames ever.this is my bike updated with avid bb7 disc brake:Echo Control 2007/2008.1060wb/+20bb high.avid bb7/echo hidro brake.acs freewheel, zoo cranks/zoo rock ring/echo head set/kmc kool chain/first bb/echo rims/echo flat bars/cst front tire 2,35/gti-pro rear tire 2,45/10,900 grams the full bike.just wondering why ur still running a ACS claws freewheel, the rest of that set up is moist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted December 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Just put an order in to tartybikes for a built long Echo Control... As specced on their website except for V8 pedals an a magura up front http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/product.php?id=388 . Hub and fork will be disk ready in case I go that way later too - Still nervous about hanging the disk up on the edges of walls and I like all the brake pad options for Maguras... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Roach Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 I rode a control for a month or so. I think they are really good frames. Very strong, reliable, and dont flex. 5 stars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Should have got VP pedals and an Avid BB7 but apart from that, sweet deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted December 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Th VP's are cage style pedals? I used them previously to the V8's and found my feet tended to roll off instead of staying put. Less shinjuries with V8's ...Not going with a disk because of the ease of crash damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMack Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Th VP's are cage style pedals? I used them previously to the V8's and found my feet tended to roll off instead of staying put. Less shinjuries with V8's ...Not going with a disk because of the ease of crash damage.Not if you slip off Ease of crash damage? I've landed ON my disc before and not bent it. They're pretty sturdy things, most people use them these days, and a lot of people are now using them front and rear. If you're worried about hitting it while sidehopping, go the other way, or learn to sidehop properly. It's a common misconception that discs are easy to land on and bend, they're not at all from my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason222 Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 I've got an echo control short, I really like it so far. I've tried an 04 echo pure that was 1080, I liked it, but I definitely like my control more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycholist Posted December 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 I've had enough landings where the spokes/dropouts snagged and I've seen other people's cycle's ruined by bent disks, so I'll go without disks for the time being. I've tried a mod set up with the Hope trials disks and it's awesome - silent and still locks the wheels, but it would always nag at me every time I go to hop on something.As for the caged vs. pinned pedals I've gouged my shins a grand total of once in the past 2 or 3 years on V8's when I had caged pedals this would happen badly every 6 months. A friend of mine who runs caged pedals because his feet are too big to be comfy on V8's slips off and does his shins regularly. And that's using skate shoes on them rather than the ordinary runners I use on my pedals - he's been riding trials longer than I have, so it's not an experience issue either. The reason as far as I can see is that caged pedals tend to be higher off the pedal axle than pinned pedals, making it easier to have the pedal roll under your foot.I've specced it so I can fit a disk up front if I decide later alright. I'm going to try the green Magura pads on unground rims as recommended by the guy I talked to in tartybikes first to see if they lock well enough to be useful for trials while still allowing a bit of modulation for manuals and other rolling stuff. Currently I'm on discobrakes trials pads and ground rims and they're deafening but they lock the wheel damned well.Mostly what I have to do now is get good enough at trials to deserve the bike I've bought ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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