jsy trials matt Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) this is a monty 205 pr childs bike right crank ( cleanbikes £17.00 ) this is a monty 221 pr right trials crank ( tartybikes £38.00 )What do you reccomend i should get ? Edited October 31, 2007 by jsy trials matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Childs cranks are like half the size.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsy trials matt Posted October 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Childs cranks are like half the size....do you know how long they are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 do you know how long they are?140mm.Different cranks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Before i said anything the voting was at 2-2 hahaha, the cranks would touch the floor on a childs bike..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Of course they are identical in design! the length of the crank is irrelevant, they are the same. but anyway this is nothing new, if you think back a few years ago when the news media caught wind that brand retailers and resturants were charging different prices on the same item under custommers noses ie; BURGER KING had two resturants opposite each other on tottenham crt rd, london westend, they charged 15p difference for the same burger or meal-deal what a rip-off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 the length of the crank is irrelevant, they are the same.That's the whole point though, they are different BECAUSE they are different lengths. It's a bit like saying a 5 door version of a car is the same as the 3 door version?It's tricky to make out exactly what the crank arm looks like from the Cleanbikes picture anyway, plus neither show the back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 That's the whole point though, they are different BECAUSE they are different lengths. It's a bit like saying a 5 door version of a car is the same as the 3 door version?It's tricky to make out exactly what the crank arm looks like from the Cleanbikes picture anyway, plus neither show the back... Oh come on dude, you dont have to be a rocket-scientist to know exactly what goes on behind the commerce scenes of the bike industry. a few extra mm of molded alu in a crank arm doesnt really justify that kind of ridiculous price inflation. its all relative bull. if what you say is true, then sports giants NIKE could charge more for the same shoe that is 3-4 shoes sizes bigger because more material is used to construct that bigger shoe size. bike frame building businesses can charge more for an 18in frame as opposed to an 14in frame because more tubing is used to construct the same identical frame design...like i say, its all relative stealth charging bull to rip off custommers and only the minority few of us are wise to this going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moto_psycho Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 the kids 1 is slightly shorter, i came accross it about a month ago myself and thought the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.McMillan Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 lol, get them ha, youll be pedaling like theres no tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe@Onza Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Oh come on dude, you dont have to be a rocket-scientist to know exactly what goes on behind the commerce scenes of the bike industry. a few extra mm of molded alu in a crank arm doesnt really justify that kind of ridiculous price inflation. its all relative bull. if what you say is true, then sports giants NIKE could charge more for the same shoe that is 3-4 shoes sizes bigger because more material is used to construct that bigger shoe size. bike frame building businesses can charge more for an 18in frame as opposed to an 14in frame because more tubing is used to construct the same identical frame design...like i say, its all relative stealth charging bull to rip off custommers and only the minority few of us are wise to this going on.Sorry to get involved in this but it does matter how many you make as well. Trials stuff in general is expensive in comparison to most mountain bike products due to such small numbers. The chap that has to put that extra few mm on the crank has to have new tooling made and also stop his usual production to make it. Lots of things change the price of products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Sorry to get involved in this but it does matter how many you make as well. Trials stuff in general is expensive in comparison to most mountain bike products due to such small numbers. The chap that has to put that extra few mm on the crank has to have new tooling made and also stop his usual production to make it. Lots of things change the price of products.Was just about to bring that up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Was just about to bring that up I may have the whole thing completely backwards but I was under the impression that smaller product runs tend to cost (proportionately) more per piece.I'd guess that Monty produce and sell more grown up cranks than kiddie cranks so the kiddie cranks ought to cost more by that logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 True, unless the kiddie's cranks are an off the shelf item (entirely possible - therefore no tooling costs) and the Pr cranks are a custom forging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 (edited) my god!you're not suggesting monty would just buy bits from a catalogue and put their name on them are you ? Edited November 1, 2007 by poopipe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe@Onza Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 And if they did? ????? And thats a bad thing because? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greetings Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 you're not suggesting monty would just buy bits from a catalogue and put their name on them are you ?Definitely not! Things like that just don't happen, they never did and never will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mod Man Leo Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 And if they did? ????? And thats a bad thing because? Koxx Try-all have copywrited that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Wood Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 its all relative stealth charging bull to rip off custommers and only the minority few of us are wise to this going on.I think thats a pretty big assumption.Business is business, if you only bought things that wern't infalted in price you'd have about 2 items to your name, those being bits and bobs you found down the back of your mates sofa.I'm well aware Specialized innertubes cost 80P trade, £4.50 retail, but i still buy them because lifes too short to be writing emails to Specialized telling them their products are overpriced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusevelt Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 I think thats a pretty big assumption.Business is business, if you only bought things that wern't infalted in price you'd have about 2 items to your name, those being bits and bobs you found down the back of your mates sofa.I'm well aware Specialized innertubes cost 80P trade, £4.50 retail, but i still buy them because lifes too short to be writing emails to Specialized telling them their products are overpriced.Your right there dude, life IS too short to complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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