Andy P Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Linked to this thread from another forum. Considering the number of young male drivers on here I thought it would be a very worthwhile read for the most of you.Scroll down to the 4th or 5th post on this page by "10 pence short" - LinkAndy P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmt_oli Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I honestly don't know what to reply to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmowerman Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 That's horrbile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br3n Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 that is awful and a very powerful read but cant help but feel it wont make any difference, He was just a guy putting his foot down, we've all been guilty of that and i gaurentee the motorcyclist has/had as well.. Still, an eye opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Griffin Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Shouldnt have gone to prison, what does that teach him ? very poewrful and quite a moving story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy P Posted October 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 The guy is a truely talented writer. He kept a diary of his days in prison, the first two days of which hes typed up on the forum.I've read the whole thread and I'd encourage others to do the same.Andy P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 pretty bad was he actually intoxicated i didn't understand sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Jesus, made all the hair on my arms stand up. Just makes you think your lucky to have the chance to conciously not do that by being carefull and not a pillock on the roads, i dont think its worth it is it just to impress your bird or watever by driving fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy P Posted October 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 that is awful and a very powerful read but cant help but feel it wont make any difference, He was just a guy putting his foot down, we've all been guilty of that and i gaurentee the motorcyclist has/had as well.. Still, an eye opener.I agree that almost all of us will be guilty of having a "fun" drive on occasions, I'm not going to deny that I've never had a "oh f**k" moment before. I'm not trying to scare people, I'm trying to encourage us all to have a moment to seriously think before making that decision to push the car into your favourite corner, that little bit harder and faster. If it makes one person slow down on just one corner, who knows what it could have prevented?Andy P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Griffin Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Mate of mone took a corner at 60 and rolled with me in the car, no where near as bad as that but it just goes to show that speed limits are there for a reason ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy P Posted October 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 pretty bad was he actually intoxicated i didn't understand sorry Nope, fully legal on the road. Having read the whole thread, I think that the collision was a genuine accident and he was very unlucky there was a motorcyclist coming in the other direction - but it happened. He was driving within the law, within the speed limits, but unfortunately exceeded either his own limits or the cars. Had he not tried to take the corner as fast as he did, the accident could have been prevented.Andy P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 A very powerfull read.The other day (about 2 weeks ago) I lost control of my Ford Escort on a B road and span a complete 360degrees at 60miles per hour. I was infinately fortunate that I managed to regain control of the car and keep it going in the right direction, but even more so that another car wasn't coming the other way. A motorcyclist such as in this story would have been in a very similar state as the one Dan/Ten Pence describes. A pedestrian wouldn't have stood a chance.I wasn't even speeding although I was pushing my car to limits it wasn't able to handle and on surfaces unsuitable for that kind of driving; saying that, anytime that you/I/someone considers a public road to be the type of place for anything other than careful, sober and calculated highway driving practices, peoples lives will be put in danger.You only have to consider the fate of David DJ Jones and millions of others killed every year on roads around the globe to realise what happens when people give the road and other users of it anything other than total respect. You hit a brick wall at 90mph playing Gran Turismo on the Playstation, and you can press restart. The real world is much less forgiving and far more realistic than any pixelated simulation.That would be my ten pence. Drive carefully.Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 prettey powerful stuff!i want to get into racing so that any speed i want to do in cars car only endanger myself rather than other people, just think that that motorcyclist was dead, i couldnt face myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 good read, interesting story about the other guy that sereved 3 years too, his life must be hellish.pretty disgusting that the older driver in the mondeo performed the same manouver as 50 pence, got off scott free then lied about it to the police to convict him . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Jones Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 As others have said, very powerful. Im not sure if this is a bump or not as I clicked to the thread from the other one (post pics of your car). I sometimes like to put my toe down (if its possible in my 1ltr Corsa haha) but it always goes through my head, wtf are you doing JJ slow the f**k down, that story has just opened my eyes more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg Fried Rice Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Well written, great story and i will take in what that man said.I've recently passed my driving test, and i am itching for a car but i have to wait 2 months due to money etc but when i do i really need to be aware of my driving and not to speed or be irrisponsible. Great read and has made me think about how i should be driving when i get my car.JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 So did he just go a little too fast and cut into the corner? - On the wrong side of the road?Didn't quite get that, but it's still made me think.Not that I can get to silly high speeds in my Mini.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 He was having a spirited drive, lost the back end, corrected, back end swung back round, as he was nearly at a complete stop a motorcyclist was coming other way round the corner, he was obviously across the whole having just lost it.Very, very powerful, probably wasn't best to read that the state i'm in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaRtZ Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 that was pretty moving. it just shows how easy it is to do something like that.touch wood *touches penis* i've never "lost control" of my car. the only accident i had was embarrassing as hell and no one was hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 So did he just go a little too fast and cut into the corner? - On the wrong side of the road?Didn't quite get that, but it's still made me think.Not that I can get to silly high speeds in my Mini.. from the reading the whole thread, i understand it this way, he was driving within the speed limits, but too fast for the conditions. he took a corner(im assuming it to be left hand from the discription and pictures, but may be wrong), the car began to oversteer and he lost control, while the car was still sliding/skidding sideways(by this time on the wrong side of the road) a bike also travelling within the speed limits(but then also arguably as the "be able to stop in the distance you can see" rule could be brought up) collided with his car.of course, dispite his story, and the genuine nice appearance of the bloke. i take his recollection of events, to be just that, his recollection, possibly with bits slightly altered to his ideals. (as if you want me to analyze it, hes admitted to driving beyond a speed which was safe, hes admitted to driving dangerously prior to the accident, hes admitted to making overtaking moves on a winding road, he was travelling in a pack of cars that where all sports/performance cars, on a pre arranged meet, and he was showing them a good driving road.) i do question the correctness of him being imprisoned though, also brings to mind a certain story of an accident in bristol several years ago:a scooter rider was travelling up a hill, being followed by an articulated petrol tanker. when the scooter cut out, due to lack of fuel getting into the engine(note it wasnt said he ran the bike dry, the slope may of just caused the fuel line in the tank to become exposed) causing quite severe engine braking, and the scooter to come to a rather abrupt halt on said hill. the articulated petrol tanker behind was leaving enough of a gap to stop, with several metres to spare(quite suprising when you consider its a 44 tonne truck)unfortunately following the petrol tanker, was another wagon, but a much older wagon, dating to pre 1981, where a lap belt was sufficient on vehicles above 3500kg(or it may have been when seatbelts wernt mandatory for hgv drivers) it failed to stop intime and ploughed straight into the back of the petrol tanker, catapulting the driver of the older wagon through the windshield, and into the petrol tanker with enough force to leave a sizeable imprint where his head contacted the petrol tanker. he died near instantlyto me if you hit something from behind, its your fault, therefore it was his fault, it could also be argued as the driver of a lorry, and specifically a lorry carrying explosive materials, the petrol tanker driver should of been aware of his surroundings and the close proximity of a following vehicle, and should of pulled up less abruptly, lessening the force of the impact. leaving only a metre or two behind the scooter(its not like the 44 tonne truck was going to be shunted into the vehicle in front). the scooter rider, was given a custodial sentence, for what i believe at the time was classed as manslaughter. hardly fair, turns the whole judicial system into a joke in my eyes.although, yes we should all slow down, sadly most of us wont, or if we do, its only temporary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomm Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I really, really don't believe your story. At all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 (edited) Me niether I'm afraid, and I don't understand how thats anything like the story posted on pistonheads - That guy had admitted to driving over the speed limit and presumably was charged with gbh by dangerous driving or something along those lines. Whereas the guy on the scooter had done nothing illegal at all, and would not have been charged with anything. It is after all 100% the driver who dieds fault, unless by the time the story got to you it was inaccurate. Edited October 25, 2007 by Gavyn L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish-Finger-er Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Me niether I'm afraid, and I don't understand how thats anything like the story posted on pistonheads - That guy had admitted to driving over the speed limit and presumably was charged with gbh by dangerous driving or something along those lines. Whereas the guy on the scooter had done nothing illegal at all, and would not have been charged with anything. It is after all 100% the driver who dieds fault, unless by the time the story got to you it was inaccurate.i was told the story i got from a bloke who was a member of the iam,and an ex special copper. i can see no reason why he would of changed the story or made it up, it came about due to me talking about having to use my car in a none road legal state, due to not being able to afford parts, and him giving me that story as a warning, aparently it was gross negligence on the scooter riders part to keep his vehicle in a running/roadworthy condition( i.e he knew it was extremely low on fuel, in danger of running out and did nothing about it, much like me knowing i was driving with a bald tyre for 2 weeks).the reason i brought it up, was more how i think it was wrong that the driver served a custodial sentence, for something which was an accident, and occured within the law. im sure most drivers have spun out, or slid at some point, and they were driving just as dangerously as this bloke was. only difference being the police did nothing for those accidents , and because another driver/rider collided with the car(once again ill bring the "stop in a distance you can see " point up, had that been a tractor trimming hedges going at 2mph,or a steam vehicle going to a vintage rally the rider would still of hit it, but then it would be purely the riders fault) it suddenly meant the driver lost his license for 4 years, and served jail time for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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