Rich Pearson Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 As the title suggests, just laced up a new front wheel (non-disc) radially with the heads of all the spokes facing inwards, and I'm beggining to question the wiseness of this; basically should the heads be facing in or out? Any insights would be very helpful.CheersRich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_skj0lsvik_ Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 As the title suggests, just laced up a new front wheel (non-disc) radially with the heads of all the spokes facing inwards, and I'm beggining to question the wiseness of this; basically should the heads be facing in or out? Any insights would be very helpful.CheersRichThe heads should be facing out, atleast thats what I've been learned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Harrison Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I'd have thought the spokes should enter the flanges from the inside, so the opposite to how you've done it. No doubt people will tell you both ways with some shite reason as to why.Best bet would be to wait and let a wheelbuilder (Adam @ Tartybikes for example) reply and give their advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat-trials Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I did mine with all the heads facing out.reason being if you bang that part of the hub on something it will be harder to snap spokes. influenced by bmxers who have those special hubs so you can't snap spokes when doing grinds. That was the only reason for doing it that way. i kinda guess it put the hub under less stress as well due to not pulling ove the top of the flange. but thats just me guessing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 there is a pic on sheldon brown's site here: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_ra-e.html, but it does not specifcally say that your wrong so probably wait till someone who knows for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopipe Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I reckon it's a bit academic to be honest - the wheel'll fold in half long before the spokes or flanges snap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe' Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 As the title suggests, just laced up a new front wheel (non-disc) radially with the heads of all the spokes facing inwards, and I'm beggining to question the wiseness of this; basically should the heads be facing in or out? Any insights would be very helpful.CheersRichShould build it 1 cross rich, there's bugger all in the spoke length and half the heads face in , half out + if its a hope hub they will still warranty it laced 1 cross.http://www.trials-forum.co.uk/forum/index....howtopic=105930x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duggyd Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I reckon it's a bit academic to be honest - the wheel'll fold in half long before the spokes or flanges snapI lolled.I agree, i don't see any reason to lace it radially, yeah it looks cool, but walking home with a tacoed front wheel doesn't! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash-Kennard Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 i would put the heads facing inward/eachother as then the base of the wheel will be wider, and quite probably stronger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISA RIDER! Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 The spoke heads should be facing in words mate, as you look at the side of the hub the spokes should flow from the hub giving it a more straight ridged look from this you are getting a stronger set up with force over matter...With the spoke heads facing out words you are creating force in the inner side of your hub walls...... not good.Loving the I'm gonna go super light approach, cant wait to see the out come of this comp build....take it easy mate. Jamie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trial-biker-ryan Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 to be honest, you would have to be a very harsh rider to distroy a radial spoked front wheel, there actuly surprsingly strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Neal Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Personally, heads out. Heads in seemed to bend the spokes far too much. Radial wheels do seem to be pretty strong as I didn't have any problems with mine (Hope mono on 217) and I only stopped running it as it actually seemed too light when trying to ride in the wind and also I fancied running a disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Owen. Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Like that, thats an old wheel i have in my garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavyn. Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 radial looks f**king cool but it is pretty weak and i'm sure rich knows that lace it so you have to insert the spoke from the inside of the flange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVWOCI WVS Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 im not an uber expert but im employed to build wheels at my LBS and i've got a fair bit of experience with radial wheels now and my advice is to have the spoke heads facing out so the spoke doesnt have to bend around the flange of the hub if you see what i mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Owen. Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Like that, thats an old wheel i have in my garage.oh sh*te, just realised that shows the wrong part of the wheel the spoke heads should be facing in, towards the centre of the hub. Not 100% sure why, but thats how we always build wheels at work, and have never had problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVWOCI WVS Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 oh sh*te, just realised that shows the wrong part of the wheel the spoke heads should be facing in, towards the centre of the hub. Not 100% sure why, but thats how we always build wheels at work, and have never had problems.erm no, always facing out...? grrrrr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Head-out radial lacing is stronger in relation to both spoke breakage and lateral strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Pearson Posted September 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 i would put the heads facing inward/eachother as then the base of the wheel will be wider, and quite probably stronger That was my reasoning aswell ash; a wider base would create a more stable wheel all round.Loving the I'm gonna go super light approach, cant wait to see the out come of this comp build.... I'll put it like this, its nearly finished and I've lost about 3lbs off the Thumper full bike...to be honest, you would have to be a very harsh rider to distroy a radial spoked front wheel, there actuly surprsingly strong Like this harsh? Cheers for replies, will just have to see how it goes.Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Neal Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 That was my reasoning aswell ash; a wider base would create a more stable wheel all round.Yes but the spokes bend a lot more so heads out. Try it and see what I mean, I tried heads in first time I tried building a radial wheel and got scared. Like this harsh? Yeah but if that was a radial wheel with a disc it was going to happen. Radial wheels = don't use a disc. You may get away with half radial on a disc front wheel but I wouldn't trust it for trials. I've seen half radial rear wheels but only on xc bikes (except Martyn Ashtons).Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskimo Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 On one my old Montys the front was radial laced with the spokes heads facing out and the rear was half radial with the spokes heads facing in. So no idea there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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