pengsmelly Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 well just wondering are they good? because some say that a water bleeds are crap and you should never do them but i think there fine the brake works jsut as it should.. just want to know what others think really. cheers, matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 well just wondering are they good? because some say that a water bleeds are crap and you should never do them but i think there fine the brake works jsut as it should.. just want to know what others think really. cheers, mattDO IT they work amazingly!! Enough said P.s only in a maggies, you do it to a hydro disk it dies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Search? There was a massive thread not so long ago.Use distilled water and bleed it in a bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengsmelly Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 ye sorry guys it has been re posted. sorry. cheers for comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil Jsy Chris Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 They do work better but if you do bleed it with water make sure you put anti-freeze in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 They do work better but if you do bleed it with water make sure you put anti-freeze in during winter. Some people say the antifreeze isn't good for the internals but despite the fact theres no eveidence to state otherwise, it won't harm to reduce the amount of time its in the system for.I use water, it feels much nicer than oil and i havn't had a problem because of it yet in over 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br3n Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 they feel better but dont last, you'll need to rebleed it within a month or so, unless your lucky and have special water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bionic Balls Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Use distilled water and bleed it in a bucketthat's going to cost a lot of money...unless you work in scientific research!and they don't need re-bleeding too often...you'll know if it does.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy wonka Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 that's going to cost a lot of money...unless you work in scientific research!LMAOi did actually laugh when i read that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Roach Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 (edited) The people that say they are shit are the people that dont understand that water contains alot of oxygen (air) So you need to distill the water and put some antifreeze in, also a bath bleed is better than using a syringe because the bath is easier and works better and no air gets in the system. Edited September 13, 2007 by chocolate_bikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_k Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I have hs33's from 1998 on mine, they're water filled, have been for over 2 years and they're still fine.Has anyone water bled the echo rim brakes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simpson Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 The people that say they are shit are the people that dont understand that water contains alot of oxygen (air)Then those people are idiots... just Becuase its H2O doesnt mean it shares any of the traits of O. Like CO2 wont kill you, but CO3 will. its acts totally differently when its differently chemically bonded. And unless your planning to put and +ve and -ve electrodes in your brake to seperate the 2H and he O in the water... then it wont act like O as a gas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnglazer Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 The difference between distilled water and tap water is the amount of mineral content. So really, it would be "better" to use distilled water, to prevent mineral build-up in the cylinders, but it probably wouldn't be a noticeable difference until after about 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 The people that say they are shit are the people that dont understand that water contains alot of oxygen molecules(oxygen is a part of air, air on a whole is made up of various gases essential to most organsims survival)You sir, are a tit. You don't understand something properly yourself then advise others its bad.As simpson said, oxygen molecules make up a part of air, and they make up a part of water. Just because water contains oxygen molecules, doesn't mean theres air in it... in fact, quite the opposite. The oxygen molecules are bonded chemically to the hydrogen ones and the combined 3 molecules make up a globule of water. The only way air gets trapped in water is if its forced, so by splashing your hand up and down in the water or pulling the syringe back too quickly will both leave you with air bubbles trapped in the water. Over time though these bubbles will move and collect in a pocket of air, which can be expelled from the syringe easily enough.Has anyone water bled the echo rim brakes?Yep, done about 3 different ones now (i seem to take on the role of mechanic while on group rides ). Doesn't seem to have been a problem with any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Gibson Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 I havent read all the topic, But I dnt see what all this fuss is about! and YES I have bleed with water, It was more hastle than its worth. The seals went withing about 3-4 months, and the cylinders went lazy. I say use maggie blood, thats what its trhere for. Well thats my opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 I havent read all the topic, But I dnt see what all this fuss is about! and YES I have bleed with water, It was more hastle than its worth. The seals went withing about 3-4 months, and the cylinders went lazy. I say use maggie blood, thats what its trhere for. Well thats my opinion!Isn't maggie blood designed to be a fluid to work in all weather conditions, a standard fluid that will work even if they sell the brake to someone in canada? Much in the same way black pads are the standard.... i bet your not still running magura black pads though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Garland Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 I have run water in mine for AAAAAAAAAAAGES and seals are fine, I normally re-bleed every 4 months or so and spray all the cylinders with some WD40 make sure they all move smoothly and to clean it abit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnglazer Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Isn't maggie blood designed to be a fluid to work in all weather conditions, a standard fluid that will work even if they sell the brake to someone in canada? Much in the same way black pads are the standard.... i bet your not still running magura black pads though Also, how many trials riders lube their King hubs with the suggested lube? Everyone uses a much lighter lube because it works better for trials.I have run water in mine for AAAAAAAAAAAGES and seals are fine, I normally re-bleed every 4 months or so and spray all the cylinders with some WD40 make sure they all move smoothly and to clean it abit.You can also bleed with WD40, which has a nice feel to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Roach Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) You sir, are a tit. You don't understand something properly yourself then advise others its bad.No need for thatEither way water bleed work fine, end of. Edited September 14, 2007 by chocolate_bikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex.loves.boys Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 well just wondering are they good? because some say that a water bleeds are crap and you should never do them but i think there fine the brake works jsut as it should.. just want to know what others think really. cheers, mattwho said there crap?just do it.weve told u to many times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scousertrials Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 How would Boyles law relate to this water bleed and air liberation debate. ( boyles law states that the mass og a gas disolved in a given volume of liquid is proportional to the partial pressure of the gas) Give that one atmosphere is 760mmhg and that 20% of the atmoshpere is oxygen then 20% of 760mmhg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Also, how many trials riders lube their King hubs with the suggested lube? Everyone uses a much lighter lube because it works better for trials.Exactly, perfect example dude.No need for thatYeah there was. If i went around saying monty's are shit because they're expensive and they all crack i'd be a tit. If i tripped up a curb i'd be a tit. If i tried to write with a pen upside down i'd be a tit. Its not a harsh statement, just something along the lines of a fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaMmY Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 there amazing just done mine its so easy did in like a minute ikn the bath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Roach Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 (edited) Yeah there was. If i went around saying monty's are shit because they're expensive and they all crack i'd be a tit. If i tripped up a curb i'd be a tit. If i tried to write with a pen upside down i'd be a tit. Its not a harsh statement, just something along the lines of a fool.So im not in the right for saying,when you run water into the bath the force of the water coming out the tap into the bath water creates oxygen bubbles,(you can see it happen when you run a bath) which then dissolves into the water (or rises) so when you bleed your brake, air can get in..... Edited September 16, 2007 by chocolate_bikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br3n Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 end of the day its your brake, its your choice - I bleed mine with water but im not convinced they last long enough (Im lazy)All you get on forums are arguments formed over opinions, No one knows nearly enough to state that "this will work" or "this wont work" on this topic. Give it a go, see if you like it, If you dont - rebleed with magura/lhm blood.Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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