mountian goat Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Hi, just wondering if anyone out there that owns a t-bird (07 model) and that could tell me the good points and bad. also i was wandering if anyone can find a cheaper one (1st hand) than this: http://www.discountcyclesdirect.co.uk/prod...roducts_id=6634 Also just wondering if anyone knows where to buy the same disc as it has on the front if i might want to upgrade, Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Owen. Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 (edited) pros:has 100% cable brakes rather that hydrollic. has a front disk as standard on a bike that cheapgood starter bikehas bottom bash plate, saving your frame and enabling you to land on it when getting up wallscons:its onza the rear brake needs pads and rims grindfeels really heavy (well my mates does)they ride pretty poo, as the front end is heavy and the gearing is horriblenot great specbut if you are starting out it should be ok matey i know someone who has one of those and it seems ok, needs a few thing doing, but overall is good for the money.hope i helped Edited August 9, 2007 by owentrialsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountian goat Posted August 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 pros:has 100% cable brakes rather that hydrollic. has a front disk as standard on a bike that cheapgood starter bikehas bottom bash plate, saving your frame and enabling you to land on it when getting up wallscons:its onza the rear brake needs pads and rims grindfeels really heavy (well my mates does)they ride pretty poo, as the front end is heavy and the gearing is horriblenot great specbut if you are starting out it should be ok matey i know someone who has one of those and it seems ok, needs a few thing doing, but overall is good for the money.hope i helped thanks mate, very tempting now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbra Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Get more money and buy a t pro man.Well worth the extra money believe me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara Logan-Price Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 pros................cons t bird onza nah mate tis a gd bike if u just starting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeriding Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Get more money and buy a t pro man.Well worth the extra money believe me truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountian goat Posted August 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 truthbut when i looked the only diference i noticed was that the t-bird had a front disc and the t-pro had just normal v's which puts me off that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeriding Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 (edited) but when i looked the only diference i noticed was that the t-bird had a front disc and the t-pro had just normal v's which puts me off thatThat doesnt mean the disc is good (it isnt), th frame of the tpro is far superior Edited August 9, 2007 by afroman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTrialSpaz Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 (edited) pros:has 100% cable brakes rather that hydrollic. Means nothinghas a front disk as standard on a bike that cheap Again, it means nothing - its probably shit anywaygood starter bike Opinion, not facthas bottom bash plate, saving your frame and enabling you to land on it when getting up walls There are much betetr bieks out there that also have bashplatescons:its onza And?the rear brake needs pads and rims grind EVERY new bike needs a good set of pads and a grind - whether its £150 or £1,500feels really heavy (well my mates does) Can't fault thatthey ride pretty poo, as the front end is heavy and the gearing is horrible - Most sensible thing he's said all daynot great spec He speaks the truthbut if you are starting out it should be ok matey i know someone who has one of those and it seems ok, needs a few thing doing, but overall is good for the money.hope i helped Seriously. My mate has one, it's bloody awful when coming off my bike (T-Pro). My bike may not be standard, but it defiantly felt better than that did when I first got it.Jsut have a gander at those eBay links I left ^ up there. Those bikes looked in good condition - especially since you're only after a 'starter' bike Edited August 9, 2007 by ManxTrialSpaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Owen. Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 (edited) pros:has 100% cable brakes rather that hydrollic. Means nothing- i prefur cable brakes as set up correctly i believe, along with many other riders that they can have better bite and hold than maggies etchas a front disk as standard on a bike that cheap Again, it means nothing - its probably shit anyway- set up correctly, the brake isnt to bad to have standard on a bike of that pricegood starter bike Opinion, not fact- maybe, but a hell of alot of trials riders believe that low range onza's are great starter bikeshas bottom bash plate, saving your frame and enabling you to land on it when getting up walls There are much betetr bieks out there that also have bashplates- correct your spelling, and im not talking about better bikes, im talking about the t-bird cons:its onza And?- they can be quite weak and the low range ones dont have very good geo etcthe rear brake needs pads and rims grind EVERY new bike needs a good set of pads and a grind - whether its £150 or £1,500- not true because alot of good spec bikes come with better padsfeels really heavy (well my mates does) Can't fault thatthey ride pretty poo, as the front end is heavy and the gearing is horrible - Most sensible thing he's said all daynot great spec He speaks the truth Edited August 9, 2007 by owentrialsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTrialSpaz Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 pros:i prefur cable brakes as set up correctly i believe, along with many other riders that they can have better bite and hold than maggies etc.Ok, I guess its all down to preference.set up correctly, the brake isnt to bad to have standard on a bike of that priceI was only guessing having never tested one but going on what afroman said and the fact its an Onza branded brake - opposed to companies that specialize in braking components, I still think its probably pretty shitty.maybe, but a hell of alot of trials riders believe that low range onza's are great starter bikesI'm sure there are, but for a lot less expenditure, you can get a much better bike off eBay. Or, (since he's said cost isn't a problem, I think he has anyway...) he could just save up for a T-Pro. That's still low range when compared to other bikes but there must be about 100 forum users that will put them forward. correct your spelling, and im not talking about better bikes, im talking about the t-birdPoint taken, I was just demonstrating that this was hardly an outstanding feature (I'm trying really hard to keep him away (Yes, I probably do have a too big of a dislike towards them))P.S. The spelling remark was an extremely silly hypocritical remark.cons:they can be quite weak and the low range ones dont have very good geo etcYOu could have just said that rather than just put Onza, as it is not a fault of Onza is it? THey're supplying cheap bikes to those who want them.not true because alot of good spec bikes come with better padsStill needs a grind - and as far as I'm concerned, if it doesn't come with plazas, it needs new pads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laycky Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 If I was you I would save up abit more and buy a t-pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLeacock™ Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 pros:has 100% cable brakes rather that hydrollic. has a front disk as standard on a bike that cheapHows that a pro ? have you seen the cable brakes that come on the bike ? And the front disk is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountian goat Posted August 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 who can find me the cheapest t-pro 1st hand, i've found 359.99 so far, anyone who finds cheaper than that gets magic money (1st hand and has to be 07 model) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Owen. Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 (edited) cons:they can be quite weak and the low range ones dont have very good geo etcYOu could have just said that rather than just put Onza, as it is not a fault of Onza is it? THey're supplying cheap bikes to those who want them.it was a bit of a joke mate, nothing too serious i just dont particularly like low range onzas as i put a crack in mine, around the bashguard welds Edited August 11, 2007 by owentrialsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex-Mitchinson Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 That bike is £314.99, for another hundread quid you will get a good spec second hand bike from the classifieds on here.New bikes/parts loose value unbelievebly quickly! I have probably spent about £1000 on my bike, however if I were to try and sell it, I would be putting it on for about half that amount, £500!So yeh, your best bet is to get a 2nd hand one of here. Forget about that t-bird, they ride wank anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountian goat Posted August 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 where abouts on "here" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam-Griffin Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 where abouts on "here"Classifieds!Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountian goat Posted August 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Classifieds!Adamoh right yea,A- at the moment i cant talk on that forum yet because im not a memberB- my dad probably wont drive me a miles to get the bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTrialSpaz Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 A- at the moment i cant talk on that forum yet because im not a memberB- my dad probably wont drive me a miles to get the bikeCan always add the seller on MSN And I'm sure that if you asked very nicely, your dad would drive you or, if you pay a bit extra, the seller might post the entire bike your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountian goat Posted August 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Can always add the seller on MSN And I'm sure that if you asked very nicely, your dad would drive you or, if you pay a bit extra, the seller might post the entire bike your way.Ah ok, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_ftw Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 just conscable brakes only geo is tradgicheavyer than a carugly super shortin 2 days time you will regret buying oneseriously id sooner top mi sen than have a t-bird again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlet Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 cons:its onza Good value, good starter bikesthe rear brake needs pads and rims grind Does it?, my rear brake on my T-vee worked just as well, if not, better than my current Hydraulic on a smooth rim, just use a little tarfeels really heavy (well my mates does) Not much heavier than a T-prothey ride pretty poo, as the front end is heavy and the gearing is horrible The front end is not heavy, its the geometry of the bike, its a short bike so most of the weight is placed in the middle/back of the bike, and the 18 tooth freewheel can easily be changed to a 16 tooth to give the same ratio as 18-12not great spec What would you expect for a budget starter bike?I think the T-Bird/T-Vee are probably the best bikes you can get to start on, the Vee's work brilliantly as well as the disc, good value for money and they can easily be upgraded.Of the two, I think the T-Bird is a better investment as it comes with a 19" wheel as standard, and you are getting that for only £50 extra, as well as a good working disc on the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeriding Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 (edited) just conscable brakes only thumbdown.gifgeo is tradgicheavyer than a caruglysuper shortin 2 days time you will regret buying oneseriously id sooner top mi sen than have a t-bird againwrong wrong wrongyou can hook 5 pallets on a t bird and they gap/sidehop damn well too Edited August 13, 2007 by afroman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountian goat Posted August 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Found this adament frame, what you think? will i be able to fit a bash guard on it and wat size of wheels fit it? http://webcyclery.com/product.php?producti...t=76&page=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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