Tim-Hill..Yeah Mate Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Rght, swaped mod for stock a while ago, got the stock all was good till the 06 echo rim flat spotted and folded! 07 echo came, got it built (by a mate, his first build, possibly a weak build) wacked the wheel in, i cant put the pads close to them rim as the rim flexes seriusly bad! everytime i pedal the brake rubs! so that must mean weak build if it flexes very bad?secondly...The wheel wont sit in the dropouts straight, when both hub bolts are at the top of the dropout the tyre rubs the frame on the left! weve tried puting a spacer between the hub bolts and top of dropouts but it just wouldnt hold out. does the rim have to be built over to one side of the hub to space it all out? the hubs a pro2 trial 06echo 07 rimcheers Tim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeriding Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Its a shit build, get it done properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidehop Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 ^^ Seconded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh_b Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 sounds like none of the spokes are tight enough, take it to your local shop or send to tarty's and get it trued up nicely, aslong as it's laced correctly it shoudnt need dismanteling. -Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutty22 Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Rear wheels need to be "dished" due to the offset of the freehub body on the hub. It sounds like yours isn't. I agree with everyone, get it to Tartybikes or LBS and get it sorted properly. For the sake of about £15 it will save loads of hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim-Hill..Yeah Mate Posted July 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) Rear wheels need to be "dished" due to the offset of the freehub body on the hub. It sounds like yours isn't. I agree with everyone, get it to Tartybikes or LBS and get it sorted properly. For the sake of about £15 it will save loads of hassle.so your saying rim needs to be dished to right? to stop the tyre rubbing against framewith the 06 echo rim, wheel would sit in dropouts straight and wheel wouldnt rub.cheers Edited July 28, 2007 by Tim H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trials_pimp Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 your friend has no idea what he is doing.The reason it flexes is bacause the spokes arent tight enough.The reason it sits to 1 side when the hubs straight is because it hasnt been dished correctly.Your wheel was built by a complete cock.Simple solution, take it to someone who knows what they are doing.You can still use the spokes you have, provided you used the correct lengths.A good wheel builder will true, dish, tension and de0stress you wheel for £10-£20 Then never ask for that friends help again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pengsmelly Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) well i would just say get it built properly by someone who knows what there doing. i know i can cost a bit but you pay for the quilty of the build. unless your local bike shop are crap. lol Edited July 28, 2007 by pengsmelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sysuperfly Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Looks like I don't have to tell you but . . . . . . the friend isn't good at building wheels!!!!! Try to tension the spokes if you really can't afford the bike shop. And ask if he has putt the same length spokes in each side?? and if he has it needs a rebuild, if he has put shorter in the drive side then it's a start. just have to hope they are the right length. Here's a guid to sort your wheel out a BIT so a little rideable (well alot more than it as at the mo) If you have a spoke key then sit down in a chair with the bike in front of you pointing away put the spoke key in your right hand pick the spoke next to the valve and place the key on it. Twist the wheel so it's at the top. Now this sounds funny but push with your thumb and pull with your fingers (if looking over the top down it would be clockwise), thats tightening the spoke. Do this to all the spokes one by one round the wheel by half a turn, this should tighten the wheel up!! Stop the pedal brake thing. Now this is a crude way of doing it but now start at the valve at the top again and only half turn all the drive side spokes (cog side). This should stop the wheel hitting the left side.Please note this is only temperary till you can get it in a bike shop. SY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Its a shit build, get it done properly^^Wuuurrdd^^Yeh, it needs tensioning and truing properly, it isn't hard really, just get a spoke key and tighten the spokes so that it pulls the rim over, this will move the rim into the centre and put the right tension on each spoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rider_01 Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 yeh when you build a new wheel the rim has to be centre to the hub there is a tool you can buy to check how far out you are, in your case the rim seem's to be to far over the to the left if you dont want to pay and have it done propperly losen all the spokes on the left side and tighten all the spokes on the right therefor pulling the rim over to the right, i had the same problem when i first built my rim on my 26 and it just takes practice hope iv helped any sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netherking Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 ^^ Secondedshit build probably dishing far to much one way and still isn't straight either learn to do it urself its not hardwww.sheldonbrown.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I'm having the same problem with mine at the minute, only for some reason when i put the power down the rim hits the four prongs on the maggie pistons. Its never been a problem before, and i've never noticed the rim flex... only my plazzies are pretty worn and my brake has a lazy piston so if i move them further out one pad rubs on the rim all the time. To be fair though the four prongs on the cylinders are barely 2-3mm away from the sidewall on each side so as to use as little tpa as possible.Anyone got any ideas for a quick fix that doesn't involve dismantling the brake and lubing/cleaning the pistons? I'm very lazy at the minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Extreme bodge: Grind the pins on your cylinders down.Good solution: Set your brake up again without any TPA on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Extreme bodge: Grind the pins on your cylinders down.Good solution: Set your brake up again without any TPA on Yeah, i did think about grinding the pins down :$ Only problem with setting it up without any TPA on is the prongs seems to stick out further than the pad material, so i'd be setting the prongs up right next to the rim like they are at the minute. I guess i'm stuck with either sort the sticky piston out or put the plazzie material in the heatsink backings . Cheers for the suggestions though Ad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8grumble Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 to everyone who said tighten up the spokes, they were seriosly,. maybe stupidly tight.. its unreal. it was still flexing.? anyway it is gettin re-built, gonna get 'dished' over.gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisboats Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 to everyone who said tighten up the spokes, they were seriosly,. maybe stupidly tight.. its unreal. it was still flexing.? anyway it is gettin re-built, gonna get 'dished' over.grayYou know in order to dish a wheel you can just go round one side of the wheel tightening the spokes by a quarter or half a turn. Literally only takes a minute. If the spokes are that stiff maybe its the frame flexing rather than the wheel? Or maybe a broken/cracked axle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8grumble Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 You know in order to dish a wheel you can just go round one side of the wheel tightening the spokes by a quarter or half a turn. Literally only takes a minute. If the spokes are that stiff maybe its the frame flexing rather than the wheel? Or maybe a broken/cracked axle?about the axle maybe,... but he need new spokes first, the original were to long, this meaning when all the spokes were fully tight.. it was over the left, i would try dish it over but the nipples are using all the thread. and about the wheel flex, i know loads of stock riders that hav mega loose spokes,.. some almost have the nipples almost falling into the rim.. and theres flex no where near as much as this... 'soo called does'.gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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