Braided Hose Splitter

[Walleee]

personally ive noticed that most people who run the normal setup always have the master piston move first before the slave,

and I need to learn something about braking?

[Will Arnold]

please stop bitching and get out and ride your bike

craig, great idea, you've got it bob on. just a bit of trimmage so it dont castrate you if you fall onto it, and you're onto a winner

personally i would buy it for 10 quid, bargain!!

[will]

You guys are all weiners. All of you.

Apart from the people who were not whinging like girls.

Edited July 27, 2007 by will

[IOLO]

i think its good,

if you like braided hoses

and you like hose splitters then its a good do.

i personally dont get on with braided hoses at all.

but i do think the usual hose 'bridge' is easily broken compared to a split one neatly fastened down.

and well done for making stuff, making stuff is good no matter what it is.

iolo

[Walleee]

please stop bitching and get out and ride your bike

craig, great idea, you've got it bob on. just a bit of trimmage so it dont castrate you if you fall onto it, and you're onto a winner

personally i would buy it for 10 quid, bargain!!

bitching? I was trying to establish what the product does, and help him to make it better?(= more sales) Bitching would be saying it's shit, and not giving a reason for thinking so.

I personally couldn't justify spending a tenner on something which has no theorey(or real purpose) behind it.

Had craig said it was a percy job for himself my response would have ben differant, but if he hopes to sell these then they require more work and customers like me, will need more convincing.

Edited July 27, 2007 by Jakers

[RR_Trials]

I personally couldn't justify spending a tenner on something which has no theorey(or real purpose) behind it.

Anodized bashplates

BTW.. Not saying you own one but just an example of people spending money on things that don't have alot of reason behind them.

[Janson]

But bashplates fill a purpose.

A slimmer one would be cool, I like the idea of splitters...

[Walleee]

Anodized bashplates

BTW.. Not saying you own one but just an example of people spending money on things that don't have alot of reason behind them.

janson's right, bashplate's have a purpose, your missing my point.

[PaRtZ]

jake stop having a go at craig for what hes made. jesus christ.

whether you have a phobia of them or not, hes made the splitter himself. Even if it was a normal monty hose splitter I'd be impressed. He has probably exagerrated by saying the brake works better but why can you not see the obvious advantage of it being easier to set up. Oh yes you're sick of people not giving you a clear enough reason for that. Well here you go, hope this is clear as:

The magura crossover was the biggest pain in the ass I had when I was setting one up. If it was too short the pistons would have a tendancy to angle themselves "topwards-in". Too long and it create a sponge machine. A splitter (braided or not) has no mechanical advantage over a crossover; just the ease of setting it up as the hoses are more free to move and aren't applied to the same bendy pressure as a crossover.

Hope that helps

[Krisboats]

Am i right in thinking you have to bleed it from each side of the calipers seperately or can you do it some other way?

[dave85]

Made this one for normal hoses, seeing as you usually have to shorten the main hose to fit a splitter, you may as well bang a barbed connection in rather than an olive, lets the splitter be more compact too.

Yeah you bleed from both sides. Montys that come with splitter systems have two m6/m6 cylinders so you have two bleed bolts.

[Greetings]

Partz, you're missing the point a bit. It's great he made something like that, he has a unique part in his bike which nobody else uses and that's all good. It's definitely easier to set up with which I can't disagree, it's probably more difficult to hit and damage as well. But there is absolutely no need to write untrue things to justify an interesting design which obviously has some advantages over a normal setup.

[Walleee]

jake stop having a go at craig for what hes made. jesus christ.

whether you have a phobia of them or not, hes made the splitter himself. Even if it was a normal monty hose splitter I'd be impressed. He has probably exagerrated by saying the brake works better but why can you not see the obvious advantage of it being easier to set up. Oh yes you're sick of people not giving you a clear enough reason for that. Well here you go, hope this is clear as:

The magura crossover was the biggest pain in the ass I had when I was setting one up. If it was too short the pistons would have a tendancy to angle themselves "topwards-in". Too long and it create a sponge machine. A splitter (braided or not) has no mechanical advantage over a crossover; just the ease of setting it up as the hoses are more free to move and aren't applied to the same bendy pressure as a crossover.

Hope that helps

Christ I ask a few questions and make a few points. Where have I 'had a go' at him? I am impressed, he's made something which works, he said it was a prototype, and that he was hoping to sell a few, so he obviously is looking to develop the idea a little. Wether he want's them or not, by posting his idea/work on a public forum he is going to get questions etc. I can't understand why people are giving me all this shit for trying to help him?

I can see how it may be easier to set up, but your not going to explain to everyone who ask's him how it helps are you?

EDIT:

'better to set up as both pistons move equally unlike when its set master and slave style,'

that ^^^ is NOTHING like how you have explained it partz, that's what im getting at.

Edited July 27, 2007 by Jakers

[RR_Trials]

Oh i get what you mean ok a bash plate wasn't i good example.

Wouldn't the fact that the fluid goes to both pistons at the same time meaning they move at roughly the same time be an advantage, i don't have a clue but wouldn't that be sharper?

Ok I'm probably speaking bollocks but thats what i thought they were all about.

[Ducko]

thanks will and partz,

as far as im concerned someone can delete this topic,

people need to get out and ride more christ,

as for people who have said anything positive thanks ill be making a sexier model soon,

as i said i have not said there is an increase in pressure or any bollocks like that, in GENERAL i find the performance better with the spliter

cheers lurdz

Made this one for normal hoses, seeing as you usually have to shorten the main hose to fit a splitter, you may as well bang a barbed connection in rather than an olive, lets the splitter be more compact too.

Yeah you bleed from both sides. Montys that come with splitter systems have two m6/m6 cylinders so you have two bleed bolts.

nicely made good job:)

[Krisboats]

both pistons are getting direct pressure from lever piston again not working as master and slave which means the master has more pressure initially.

as i said i have not said there is an increase in pressure or any bollocks like that

Did you not learn from the first time i did that?

Edited July 28, 2007 by Krisboats

[Dani.]

Hahahaha ^^^^

I'm still curious though. Some people have said that using a splitter will make both pistons move in sync buuuut hasn't explained why. Now it'd be good if someone really smart corrected me if I'm wrong but I don't think they should move anymore in sync than if you used a crossover, the oil/water doesn't get to one piston before the other -the liquid used is not compressible therefore should press on both pistons at once in a well bled system. I know this is rarely the case but I think the guy who said it was a matter of friction difference between the two slaves was onto a winner.

[Krisboats]

Hahahaha ^^^^

I'm still curious though. Some people have said that using a splitter will make both pistons move in sync buuuut hasn't explained why. Now it'd be good if someone really smart corrected me if I'm wrong but I don't think they should move anymore in sync than if you used a crossover, the oil/water doesn't get to one piston before the other -the liquid used is not compressible therefore should press on both pistons at once in a well bled system. I know this is rarely the case but I think the guy who said it was a matter of friction difference between the two slaves was onto a winner.

Yeah thats pretty much the jist of it. Some people get confused and think of it as the fluid has to travel to the end of the second piston before it moves, when it just doesn't work like that. As you pull the lever the pressure inside increases and both the pistons get forced out, whichever one moves first depends on various things like how good the bleed is, how well the seals are lubed, if the seals are torn and even how hard the mount is clamped onto the caliper.

[Si-man]

might have worded it wrong im not saying it has more power it obveously doesnt,

im saying in using it i find it easier to set up,

i find the performance better(and by this im not saying there it gives of more power)

both pads move in sync everytime,

all this adds upto a better working brake,

i dont really care about what people think,

i put the idea upto show people not have an argument with anyone about it,

i like it it works and if people want to go on about it being no good fair enough,

but my brake has been a damn sight better since ive used it.

cheers for positive comments will post up the re designed drawing soon.

cheers

i have not said anywhere in this topic that it increase power damn it read the post properly!

That's why it is better, if set up spot on, both hit equally where as on a normal set up one always hits before the other.

If he likes it, then thats all that matters. I dont get why people always critisise people for trying different things, is beyond me.

[Krisboats]

That's why it is better, if set up spot on, both hit equally where as on a normal set up one always hits before the other.

If he likes it, then thats all that matters. I dont get why people always critisise people for trying different things, is beyond me.

Mine hit at the same time and i have a normal crossover. Its not hard to set it up properly, just most people can't be arsed hence most people having one that hits before the other.

[Walleee]

Hahahaha ^^^^

I'm still curious though. Some people have said that using a splitter will make both pistons move in sync buuuut hasn't explained why. Now it'd be good if someone really smart corrected me if I'm wrong but I don't think they should move anymore in sync than if you used a crossover, the oil/water doesn't get to one piston before the other -the liquid used is not compressible therefore should press on both pistons at once in a well bled system. I know this is rarely the case but I think the guy who said it was a matter of friction difference between the two slaves was onto a winner.

Wonder who said that?

Not sure why making post's here explaining to you that your theorey was not right means I should ride more, especially when at the time of posting it was raining here....

Si-man, sorry but your wrong, with a ANY set-up(with equally good bleed's and no other variables) they will only both hit equally when there is equal friction In both slave cylinders, otherwise, crossover or splitter, that one with the least friction will move in before the other.

Like I've said im impressed, but I find it irritating when people try to justify good idea's(or components etc), with silly reasons.

Edited July 28, 2007 by Jakers

[Si-man]

I'm just going off how my brakes have been and a few mates.

I can do good bleeds, always use oil.

[Ducko]

i think some people really need to get out and ride there bikes more...

someone delete this damn topic please.

[deanie-b]

Well I'm going to go ride my bike, and I think most of you should too.

nice one to the lad who had the idea, looks as if it could be an alright hose splitter . Trials would be nothing without innovative ideas.