Water Bleeds

[scousertrials]

My way to bleed brakes is to undo the system at the lever end and thread in a pice of maggi tubing, it will screw right in no pobs. Put the other end in a bucket of water and then undo the sytem at slave end then place your finger over the end of the pipe thats submerged in the bucket of water and press lever (if you have oil in your brakes you will wanna thread some pipe in slave end and feed this into a bottle as you will have oil on your rim with this method) keep lever pressed in and release finger release lever and then repeat finger on press lever, until you have passed loads of water through your system.

keep the pipe in the lever and under water in bucket end then close sytem at slave end then (assuming you have you bike in an upright position with lever higher than slave) close sytem at lever end.

You will have some of the best bleed brakes in town and a lot easier, quiker and better that taking off all you maggies and putting them in the bath.

Edited July 9, 2007 by scousertrials

[willy wonka]

My way to bleed brakes is to undo the system at the lever end and thread in a pice of maggi tubing, it will screw right in no pobs. Put the other end in a bucket of water and then undo the sytem at slave end then place your finger over the end of the pipe thats submerged in the bucket of water and press lever (if you have oil in your brakes you will wanna thread some pipe in slave end and feed this into a bottle as you will have oil on your rim with this method) keep lever pressed in and release finger release lever and then repeat finger on press lever, until you have passed loads of water through your system.

keep the pipe in the lever and under water in bucket end then close sytem at slave end then (assuming you have you bike in an upright position with lever higher than slave) close sytem at lever end.

You will have some of the best bleed brakes in town and a lot easier, quiker and better that taking off all you maggies and putting them in the bath.

Another easy method which is just as clean is to;

Undo the bleed bolts,

Attach a tube and barbed fitting to the slave cylinder,

Get a syringe (preferably a large one) and fill it with water,

Attach this to the tube at the slave and push the water through,

Just before all the water in the syringe has been pumped through stop and put your finger tight over the bleeding hole (don't know what else to call it) at the lever end,

Then remove the syringe and fill it back up with water and attach it back on,

Remove your finger off the lever end and carry on pumping water through,

When you've pumped a fair amount through put your finger over the bleeding hole and hold tight,

Remove the barbed fitting and tube from the slave and put in the bolt,

Then remove your finger from the lever and put the bolt in.

You will now have perfect brakes.

[N22CK_C]

was talking about my mate other day about running water after reading this might give it a try

[dangerous_dave]

wait a minute, so using dot oil knackers the seals and stuff??? so what does the brake come with then? i assumed it would just be the normal dot 4 or 5.1 (maybe 4.1 or 5, i can't remember)

[willy wonka]

wait a minute, so using dot oil knackers the seals and stuff??? so what does the brake come with then? i assumed it would just be the normal dot 4 or 5.1 (maybe 4.1 or 5, i can't remember)

Magura HS33's come with mineral oil.

Hope disc brakes and such come with dot fluid.

[jandamna]

Magura HS33's come with mineral oil.

Hope disc brakes and such come with dot fluid.

and mineral oil, is basically diesel ! so you might aswell use that cause its cheaper then maggy blood

[blaze_]

Water bleeding rulez

First it's cheap.

Second it's easy to bleed even without a bleed kit.

Third you get a lot more response than with mineral oil(btw baby oil can be used too but it is the same as the mineral oil).

Don't know if there is a loss in braking power, but I haven't felt any (I bled it with water last month).

By the way doesn't the anti freeze have alcohol in it? If it does than do not put it in the water you bleed your maggie(echo) with cause the seals are not that durable (believe me I've changed too many on my maggies)

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Edited July 9, 2007 by blaze_

[willy wonka]

Water bleeding rulez

First it's cheap.

Second it's easy to bleed even without a bleed kit.

Third you get a lot more response than with mineral oil(btw baby oil can be used too but it is the same as the mineral oil).

Don't know if there is a loss in braking power, but I haven't felt any (I bled it with water last month).

By the way doesn't the anti freeze have alcohol in it? If it does than do not put it in the water you bleed your maggie(echo) with cause the seals are not that durable (believe me I've changed too many on my maggies)

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The seals will be fine if you don't put too much anti-freeze in.

[samcooper182]

Thanks for the great respose guys! I think I will have a crack at it. Thats the only thing is was bothered about it knackering up my seals.(more expense). Im definatly going to try it now. I think my brakes need a bit of work as they feel quite spongy! Think that could partially be to do with my frame flexing. A brake booster will sort that out won't it?

Cheers for advice

Sam

[Jason222]

Can Echo brakes be bled just as easy with water? Will it mess things up because of the aluminum bits?

[blaze_]

Can Echo brakes be bled just as easy with water? Will it mess things up because of the aluminum bits?

I don't have an Echo brake but by looking at it I think it can and there will be no problems I ever read somewhere in this forum that someone already did this .....and why would you mess things up the maguras are also made of aluminium and my old HS22 had even aluminium bolts and nothing messed up in it.

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[shabba]

they are ok but not to much better really i would just stick with magura blood

[Dave Anscombe]

water bleeds hahahahaha try wd40 i love it...........wd40 all the way

[barrybaines]

Very interesting topic for a newbie like myself! So apart from the obvious freezing problems (some anti-freeze has alcohol some doesn't) Has nobody ever had any expansion/heat issues using water?

[kyle-livesey]

Hay i hear that they rot the seals in the lever and they evaporate better of just running magura royal blood.

[Grant H]

Hay i hear that they rot the seals in the lever and they evaporate better of just running magura royal blood.

you hear wrong.

its just fannys who say that, afraid to experiment..

[tom jersey]

use water with anti freeze, brakes will be class!

[Rhys Bradford]

One of my mates has water bleed and it seems fine works like a charm

Rhys

[mandry1991]

i have not tryed them yet but wont till i get to no them because i am so bad at doin things on bikes so the first time will get one of my mates to do it in front of me and then learn from there.

[BONGO]

Mine dident work leaver just came straight in .When i bleeded car oil and worked really well

you bled it wrong then...

why even post this?! It helps nobody, all it does is say you bled it incorrectly. It gives no indication of the qualities of water in a properly bled brake, which is what the thread is a bout.

You may as well make an equally useless post saying "i have no idea as i've never used water in a brake"...

[Nick Manning]

I'm running water in my rear maggie. I prefer it, the brake is so much more responsive and solid.

up for water bled maggies

[pre67]

use diesel its a mineral oil and all that monty and Magura oil is gust mineral oil with a bit of green or blue dye in it wich macks it a bit thicker so your brack isent as charp so yer use a bit of diesel its cheep and feals SO GOOD !!

its the same stuff but thiner ie beter

hope that helps

o yer water it fine iv heard all that shit a bout it f**ks the seals up but i dosent iv use water before and its been fine and all my mates use water and thay love it and its been fine with them uther thay your bracks frezzing up in the winter lol if need be put a bit of deicer that will stop it frezzing lol

loz

[dangerous_dave]

use diesel its a mineral oil and all that monty and Magura oil is gust mineral oil with a bit of green or blue dye in it wich macks it a bit thicker so your brack isent as charp so yer use a bit of diesel its cheep and feals SO GOOD !!

its the same stuff but thiner ie beter

hope that helps

o yer water it fine iv heard all that shit a bout it f**ks the seals up but i dosent iv use water before and its been fine and all my mates use water and thay love it and its been fine with them uther thay your bracks frezzing up in the winter lol if need be put a bit of deicer that will stop it frezzing lol

loz

ok... that was easy to read...

so when you use water instead of oil, i'm guessing the leaver feels a lot lighter to pull in as well? my maggie does feel a bit sluggish.

[EssexGalTay]

i used to use oil but recently switched, not only an improvment but soo much easier!!

Antifreeze is a must!!!!

Tay.. x

[Griff From Clacton]

I prefur a water bleed personally like so many others, yes anti freeze is a must if you are getting into the winter months,

However there is the stigma that water bleeds ruin seals after a long period of time in some cases this is true but others it isnt, aslong as you maintain your brakes enough then there should be no problems,

If you are thinking of running a water bleed with braided hosing then definalty go for the hope hs33 braided hose kit because it has a larger diameter inside compared to the magura braided hose kit, and this larger diameter allows for a water bleed to function better and is more responsive to the rider.

Griff.