The Duck Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 (edited) Is it as simple as it looks? Just ordered me some new spokes to go with my new hub from tarty, and as they haven't written a crossing pattern (e.g. 3X) on the tape, i assume i need to straight lace it.I've never done it before (i've only done crossing) so if anyone knows how, a bit of help would be much appreciated.CheersEdit: Feel free to abuse me if I'm missing something obvious chappys. Edited July 3, 2007 by Quackers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sixstreet Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Is it as simple as it looks? Just ordered me some new spokes to go with my new hub from tarty, and as they haven't written a crossing pattern (e.g. 3X) on the tape, i assume i need to straight lace it.I've never done it before (i've only done crossing) so if anyone knows how, a bit of help would be much appreciated.CheersEdit: Feel free to abuse me if I'm missing something obvious chappys.Pretty much what you said, spoke in hub, spoke in adjacent hole in rim. Am assuming this is the front and you arent running a disc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted July 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Pretty much what you said, spoke in hub, spoke in adjacent hole in rim. Am assuming this is the front and you arent running a disc?Tis front, but i am running a disk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Pretty sure you'll have to do atleast 2x on the disc side to avoid pulling the spokes out of the flanges when you brake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh_b Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 tarty's always supply spokes to be laced 3x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted July 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 QUOTE(hugh_b @ Jul 3 2007, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>tarty's always supply spokes to be laced 3x.No they effing don't.The last set of spokes i had from them said '4X' on them. The time before that they said '3X disk side' and '2X non-disk side'That was helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Rainbird Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 To be honest, they've probably given you the right lengths for 3x if it's not specifiedWas it a case of you telling them what hub/rim it was and them doing the rest? If so it's probably as above, maybe give them a shout?As for radial lacing, it's just a case of going round hole by hole whacking in a spoke at a time really, though for disc usage it would be better to have 3x or more, due to the increased stresses it causes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted July 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 To be honest, they've probably given you the right lengths for 3x if it's not specifiedWas it a case of you telling them what hub/rim it was and them doing the rest? If so it's probably as above, maybe give them a shout?As for radial lacing, it's just a case of going round hole by hole whacking in a spoke at a time really, though for disc usage it would be better to have 3x or more, due to the increased stresses it causesmmmm...I've emailed them, the spokes just don't look long enough for even 2X let alone 3... (when compared to a built up wheel)Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh_b Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 sorry but thats what i was told and i have had about 5 sets of spokes off them! They have always been 3x when i have had them unless asked otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sixstreet Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 A rim brake brakes at the rim (funnily enough...) so straight pull pattern isnt really a problem as the inertia in the hub when braking is minimal. A disc brake wants to stop the hub whilst the rim/tyre/tube wants to keep rolling - lots of inertia. Straight laced spokes have poor resistance to this and will try and 'roll up' which is bad. I recommend 3x at least on the disc side unless you need wheel building practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali C Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 we try to supply spokes for 3x when possible, but we dont have every spoke length available so sometimes we supply spokes to fit 2x or 4x instead.have you checked your recipt? if the spoke lengths are not on the spokes then they are usually written in the notes section on the recipt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basher Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Like ali said usually its written somewhere, and i very much doubt they will have given you spokes for striaght lace. If its for the rear then it will either be 3 or 4 for the front it will be 2 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan6061 Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Why not lace it up and find out? Building wheels is easy, just follow one of these guides:Official OBM Wheelbuilding.G-Sport Wheelbuilding Guide. -For a 36h, 4X build. Helped me most when I built 2 of my wheels.Sheldon Brown's Wheelbuildinf guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmt_oli Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 If its for a disk wheel, it certainly wont be radial.My favorite pair of wheels ive built were half 3 x and half radial. Black spokes, silver hubs, black rims with silver machined braking surfaces. looked mean as. They were for an XC rig though, shame it got stolen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck Posted July 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 (edited) we try to supply spokes for 3x when possible, but we dont have every spoke length available so sometimes we supply spokes to fit 2x or 4x instead.have you checked your recipt? if the spoke lengths are not on the spokes then they are usually written in the notes section on the recipt.Noope just checked the recept, doesn't s ay on there... Talking to Adam now, so should all be sorted in a couple of minutes....Thanks for help again guyths Edit: Problem solved - 2X either side (spokes are still tiney though) Edited July 4, 2007 by Quackers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR28 Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 (spokes are still tiney though)You have a tiny wheel though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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