An Irrational Anger Rant

[Krisboats]

They should be ridiculed, as it's their choice, not like they're born with it, like race, gender or what ever...

If not ridiculed, at least made to feel bad about smoking, for the benefit of themselves and others around them.

So does that mean its okay for people to take the piss out of you because you ride trials? I mean, its not like you have to do it and it has potential life threatening risks. I'm sure having someone laugh at you purely for that reason would annoy you a little bit and you wouldn't like it.

I think until your old enough to go out and see what life in pubs/clubs is like you can't really comment. I went out in a club in town last night and it was awful. The smoke used to be in there air and you wouldn't notice it, but now all you can smell is B.O. and trust me... its far, far worse. To the point where venturing onto a dance floor at 3 in the morning to try and pick up a pissed up bird is actually something that you think long and hard about.

that better have been sarcasm

Did you read the rest of my post? It would kind of go against eerything i wrote if i thought radical free thinkers weren't allowed to voice their opinions.

Still, i get why you could be confused... sarcasm doesn't work well over the net. It was supposed to be taking the piss out of how the government would class people with common sense and stick them into a radical fanatics category because they spoke out against the masses. Not that it really matters, its not like the goverment are reading this thread......

....... or are they?

[mat hudson]

sarcasm over the net ftl

[Fixed Pants™]

So does that mean its okay for people to take the piss out of you because you ride trials? I mean, its not like you have to do it and it has potential life threatening risks. I'm sure having someone laugh at you purely for that reason would annoy you a little bit and you wouldn't like it.

I think until your old enough to go out and see what life in pubs/clubs is like you can't really comment. I went out in a club in town last night and it was awful. The smoke used to be in there air and you wouldn't notice it, but now all you can smell is B.O. and trust me... its far, far worse. To the point where venturing onto a dance floor at 3 in the morning to try and pick up a pissed up bird is actually something that you think long and hard about.

Smoking isn't a sport, or a hobby, or healthy (the excercise, not pain)

Fair enough, my post was a bit too extreme and swept, but yeah.

And i has been to pubs n stuff, i went to a pub gig last night and it's normally FULL of smoke, but last night was brilliant, didn't have to come home smelling like an ash tray, didn't worry about getting clothes burnt/me getting burnt, didn't have to cough out the smoke when someone breathed it into people/me (they could at least blow it into the air).

[Krisboats]

Smoking isn't a sport, or a hobby, or healthy (the excercise, not pain)

Fair enough, my post was a bit too extreme and swept, but yeah.

And i has been to pubs n stuff, i went to a pub gig last night and it's normally FULL of smoke, but last night was brilliant, didn't have to come home smelling like an ash tray, didn't worry about getting clothes burnt/me getting burnt, didn't have to cough out the smoke when someone breathed it into people/me (they could at least blow it into the air).

But its still the same thing. Your doing something you may or may not enjoy. Why is it fair for people to ridicule you for doing it. Trials is dangerous, can cause physical damage to property as well as possibly intimidating people who see you as a bunch of yobs causing mayhem. Dress it up how you want... but it ISN'T fair for someone to ridicule you because of it, in the same way it isn't fair to ridicule smokers.

Yeah fair do's, no smoking at the little pub round the corner is okay. But if you were old enough to understand what a night out in the clubs/bars is like and you tried it before and after the conversion the non smoking environment has very few good points. As i mentioned, the B.O. is a problem... i don't get why people don't put anti-persp on on their way out . The other thing is its easier to see, which is great if you've lost your mates in a club somewhere and they're too pissed to comprehensively text you back, but its not great when you can actually see some of the "fitties" you'd normally have a go at.

Local pubs is a bit nicer though, i have to agree... its nice not stinking of smoke when you come home from a couple of pints after work. The downside is though i felt very uncofortable for some reason when two of my faghead friends had to go outside for a smoke. It was like when one of your mates is getting a bollocking/started on by someone and you really want to help, but can't.... same kind of feeling.

But yeah, local pubs... no smoking is great.

Clubs/bars... its now quite shit.

Edited July 6, 2007 by Krisboats

[Fixed Pants™]

When you said about a girl you wouldn't normally start on? Do you mean that you wouldn;t go near her cos she smokes and you'd only find out she smokes after when ever? True, i pretty much would do the same as in the advert, see the girl, she sits down, smokes, you think twice, smell her, and f**k off...

[Alan]

But trials riders do get ridiculed for not having seats, squeky brakes, flat tires etc live with it, it if bothered them so much they would either find somewhere to ride where no one would anything or away from anyone that could say anything, so why can't smokers be ridiculed, smokers are all aware of what there doing to their bodies, and even if they do know its pisses you off when there smoking near you only a few will actually bother to blow the smoke in another direction or hold a fag away from you and then you get the dickheads that know you get pissed off with smoke near you and blow it in your face because its funny, majority of the time thats girls, as you may have guessed by now i am not a smoker.

I go to clubs/pubs on friday nights etc, and although tomorow night (or tonight as it may be) will be the first time in a club without all the smoke i must say i am looking foward to coming home not smelling of smoke, although i can see it causing more trouble bettween the rebilious smokers and the non-smokers that will stick up for themselves and actually say to the person there not alloud to smoke in the club, but then there's the BO case that has been mentioned and as your walking through a club you do go past some people and think f**king hell and its actully better to just be somewhere that smells of smoke, although you dont notice it because the whole place is filled then to stand by the person with BO.

Also, does the lighting look any shitter, because obviously people have smoke macines to show up lighting better, so either going to need alot more/frequent smoke machine or crap klighting, because obviously lots of clubbers smoking will create a smokey atmosphere and lighting looks cool?

The other downside that has been mentioned is most of my mates smoke, so obviosly if four of them want to go out for a fag, and i cant see anyone else i know, im going to have to stnad outside with them, getting cold, missing out on abit of club action just so they can have a smoke when ideally id like to be inside necking a few more kronenburgs and having a laugh.

I think the only way this is going to work on the scale there hoping for is lowering the prices on nicotine gum and patches etc but i cant see that happening, well atleast not anytime soon, give it a few months just to see if anything improves, anything gets out of hand....

lots of shit spelling, late, probaly wrote aload of shit, my views

Alan, x

[Alan]

I don't get how you can double post?

Edited July 6, 2007 by Alan

[Krisboats]

When you said about a girl you wouldn't normally start on? Do you mean that you wouldn;t go near her cos she smokes and you'd only find out she smokes after when ever? True, i pretty much would do the same as in the advert, see the girl, she sits down, smokes, you think twice, smell her, and f**k off...

Start on? Why does the image of a chav trying to beat a girl up in a club instead of getting her to dance spring to mind? Nope, girls smoking isn't a problem. I don't mind smokers in the slightest.

Its because the fog-like screen of smoke is gone you can see everything in the room a bit clearer... so what would ordinarily have been quite a hottie, suddenly has spots and a lazy eye. You'd never have noticed if there was smoke there.

[Fixed Pants™]

Start on? Why does the image of a chav trying to beat a girl up in a club instead of getting her to dance spring to mind? Nope, girls smoking isn't a problem. I don't mind smokers in the slightest.

Its because the fog-like screen of smoke is gone you can see everything in the room a bit clearer... so what would ordinarily have been quite a hottie, suddenly has spots and a lazy eye. You'd never have noticed if there was smoke there.

Lol, you've gotta wake up in a sober smoke free bedroom though. And i knew you meant go over to her and turn on't charm by starting on.

But yeah, there's always gonna be downsides to bans/ rules, but in this case, keeping the smoke outside is a good thing for many people.

[Krisboats]

But trials riders do get ridiculed for not having seats, squeky brakes, flat tires etc live with it, it if bothered them so much they would either find somewhere to ride where no one would anything or away from anyone that could say anything, so why can't smokers be ridiculed, smokers are all aware of what there doing to their bodies, and even if they do know its pisses you off when there smoking near you only a few will actually bother to blow the smoke in another direction or hold a fag away from you and then you get the dickheads that know you get pissed off with smoke near you and blow it in your face because its funny, majority of the time thats girls, as you may have guessed by now i am not a smoker.Also, does the lighting look any shitter, because obviously people have smoke macines to show up lighting better, so either going to need alot more/frequent smoke machine or crap klighting, because obviously lots of clubbers smoking will create a smokey atmosphere and lighting looks cool?The other downside that has been mentioned is most of my mates smoke, so obviosly if four of them want to go out for a fag, and i cant see anyone else i know, im going to have to stnad outside with them, getting cold, missing out on abit of club action just so they can have a smoke when ideally id like to be inside necking a few more kronenburgs and having a laugh.I think the only way this is going to work on the scale there hoping for is lowering the prices on nicotine gum and patches etc but i cant see that happening, well atleast not anytime soon, give it a few months just to see if anything improves, anything gets out of hand....

And how often do you hear trials riders complain about it? Enough for someone to make a t-shirt to explain ;)The lighting does look crap. A few of the clubs in town are going to have to have extra smoke machines fitted. I can't believe how lame the exisitng ones are. Its closer to the puff off one of those glade air freshener things than a smoke machine.The lights do look crap too.. and being able to see clearly is very unusual. One of my favourite clubs had these strobe lights on the walls that sort of flashed on and were like putting full beams on in fog, you couldn't see anything other than a flash of white cloud. Now they come on and all you can see is a blinding streak of light every time you blink after its been burned onto your retinas :(Hadn't thought about the being left alone in the club scenario. Its pretty evenly split between non-smokers and smokers in my close group of mates so it kind of balanced out alright. Eying up a hottie inside though and seeing them outside with your smoking mates isn't good either... the brighter lights of outside reveal a few things about 60% of the girls in there.

Lol, you've gotta wake up in a sober smoke free bedroom though. And i knew you meant go over to her and turn on't charm by starting on.But yeah, there's always gonna be downsides to bans/ rules, but in this case, keeping the smoke outside is a good thing for many people.

Ha ha, your 15... when have you ever gone out on the razz, pulled a bird and gone back to theirs for a one nighter? Honestly dude, when you wake up in the morning you'll find a lot of people don't smoke in their rooms anyway. A lot are usually in nearby uni halls, which are often no-smoking in the rooms.I guess a lot of the negatives will be worked out as people realise about them, i reckon replacing smoke with foam will be a good'un. Wet t-shirts in clubs will be 100 times better than the hazy cloud of mystery

[Fixed Pants™]

Ha ha, your 15... when have you ever gone out on the razz, pulled a bird and gone back to theirs for a one nighter?

Shut upppppppp No one knows.

But yeh, i'm nearly 16, at the end of august

[Krisboats]

Shut upppppppp No one knows.

But yeh, i'm nearly 16, at the end of august

[Alan]

I was expecting a more argumentative post then that to be honest (argumentative's not the word im looking for, but me and the pants cant think of it)

Ahh yes, strobe lights they way it looks like somebody is moving really rigidly in the as said, cloud of smoke, and there are really bright even through a clouds of smoke, soon enough they'll get banned along with lasers and you will only be aloud them style lights that you get from a tempory disco/wedding setups! and how shit will that look! Might aswell go to the off liscence get a few been and whack the speakers up in the living room with a few mates if the clubs are going to turn out like this, the club i go to does have smoke machines, but only two small ones and i think ive only ever seen them being used once when it wasn't heaving with people, so i think massive smoke machines are going to be a deffinate must if the clubs are going to be hoping to keep there massive strobe lights

Even if theres just 2 or 3 of you from a group of say 7-10 people you will probaly still feel abit obliged to go and stand outside with the smokers, atleast if your not a smoker and don't particularaly like girls that smoke you can spot the couple of girls that get left inside when there group of friends go out for a puff The smokers can meet the smokers outside and the non smokers can get a dance with the non smokers, it has its up sides and down, eventually i think people will get used to it, but until then there is going to be alot of conntraversy over it.

Alan x

[Krisboats]

I was expecting a more argumentative post then that to be honest (argumentative's not the word im looking for, but me and the pants cant think of it)

Even if theres just 2 or 3 of you from a group of say 7-10 people you will probaly still feel abit obliged to go and stand outside with the smokers, atleast if your not a smoker and don't particularaly like girls that smoke you can spot the couple of girls that get left inside when there group of friends go out for a puff The smokers can meet the smokers outside and the non smokers can get a dance with the non smokers, it has its up sides and down, eventually i think people will get used to it, but until then there is going to be alot of conntraversy over it.

Alan x

Ha ha, i think i get what you mean, but alas... cannot think of the word either

Clever, another situation to introduce yourself... the old "thought you looked lonely, fancy a drink?" routine will see a bit more action. Thing is, i bet they'll be far more inclined to say yes because they'll not want to stand on their own. One more benefit to the smoking ban i guess

[Alan]

Ha ha, i think i get what you mean, but alas... cannot think of the word either

Clever, another situation to introduce yourself... the old "thought you looked lonely, fancy a drink?" routine will see a bit more action. Thing is, i bet they'll be far more inclined to say yes because they'll not want to stand on their own. One more benefit to the smoking ban i guess

Or "Don't go stand in the cold with them, stay and have a drink!?" You'll be able to tell the non smokers, the last girls to leave following there friends like a toddler following his mum in a supermarket lol I know i'd rather have a drink then be out in the cold, but yeah for myself i think that is going to be the main upside to it, aswell as not having to come home smelling of fags, but it's such a common thing, you go to a pub/club you expect to come away smelling like fags, Smelling of beers and fags with sick of your shoes can be remebered for some of the best night's of you life, i'm sure i will have a whole load more views to expess after tonight, first place ill be going to that will i really notice a difference, but i have this feeling its going to be a night like this:

A. Empty club

B. Crap atmoshere

C. Alot of people with be tense/in shitty moods from not having a fag and cant be arsed to go outside

D. Lighting will be shit

E. Alot of people being thrown out for not complying

And let's face it, all those things are facing towards a shit night.....

Alan, x.

[Wrayvon]

Shut upppppppp No one knows.

But yeh, i'm nearly 16, at the end of august

You still look 12 though! So your not going to be going in clubs until your 18 Unless its a super super dodgy club that allows 12 year olds in...

[Davetrials]

wacky warehouse?

Edited July 6, 2007 by Davetrials

[Wrayvon]

wacky warehouse?

Hahahahaha! Sorry fatpants, I just can't help laughing when your ripped

[Tommy d]

I've kinda gone from proper reading to skimming now but here's some thoughts:

People have commented on the effects of no smoke on lighting... you know most clubs have smoke machines? Pretty sure that's still legal. Not pubs though I guess.

Interesting slight tangent, just got back from Swizterland where smoking is still allowed but they offer you free ear plugs when you enter the venue. The ear plugs were cool (although not great quality ones) because if you're not digging the music you don't have to suffer ear damage for it. The smoke kinda got me down though, I had just started to get used to the idea of being free from it when I'm out...

Also they are really big on the environment, I was impressed by their multi-recycling receptacle on the back wall of this one club

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They should be ridiculed, as it's their choice, not like they're born with it, like race, gender or what ever...

If not ridiculed, at least made to feel bad about smoking, for the benefit of themselves and others around them.

So does a kid at school who has to wear shiney shoes when the rest of the kids wear trainers deserve to get picked on? No, stop being an ass. Your not old enough to be effected by the lack of smoking in bars etc so dont worry about it.

[Danny Kearns]

Can't be assed to pick up where i left off. I would just like to leave a comment.

Smoking in any form of public place is not yet band in Stoke On Trent .

Are government hasn't put the ban forms in. We able to smoke in nay pub/club/ any public place.

Yay .

This smoking ban is bang out of order anyways.

Danny.

[Fixed Pants™]

So does a kid at school who has to wear shiney shoes when the rest of the kids wear trainers deserve to get picked on? No, stop being an ass. Your not old enough to be effected by the lack of smoking in bars etc so dont worry about it.

Do shiney shoes cause all sorts of health problems?

[Luke Rainbird]

Do shiney shoes cause all sorts of health problems?

It does when said child is beaten to a pulp twice daily

[Fixed Pants™]

Lol.

He needs to be singled out for his shoes causing health problems first though.

They could be made of aspestos i guess...

[Alan]

to skimming now

People have commented on the effects of no smoke on lighting... you know most clubs have smoke machines? Pretty sure that's still legal. Not pubs though I guess.

Clearly, because it's also been said that they will have to fit more smoke machines, because everywhere you used to look someone would be smoking so all that smoke added to the effects, now all that smokes gone a few smoke machines won't match up to what it was, thus needing more/bigger smoke machines.

They could be made of aspestos i guess...

You're a dick lol