An Irrational Anger Rant

[Danny Kearns]

Ahh that took me along time to read. Soo. I being a smoker myself have being discussiing this with family and freinds. Some of which smoke, some of which don't.

I for one feel that this the lamest thing the goverment has ever decided on. It taking away people's freedom to do something. Smoking has been in pubs for donkeys years. If people want to cry and kick up a fuss about it, f**k off to another pub and live with it. I would say in my opinion, there are more smokers in Britain than none smokers. In all fairness, the goverment etc are going to loose money in the long run. You think about it. People will buy more drinks in a pub if they don't have to go outside for a fag.

It's all shit. Why on earth couldn't they just keep it how it is in most pubs. 1 area smoking the other none smoking. I can not see what people's problems with that was. Even so. Instead of causing all this havoc. Invest in better extraction facilities. By which i mean. When people are smoking, there are say 12-15 extractor fans in the room so as soon as the fag smoke has being blown out it is atomatically extracted from the room. It is not hard to come up with a solition as simple as that. With technology of this day in age they could of come up with something better than just taking away people's right to smoke.

People are complaining about smoking around children etc. On a pack of fags it clearly states "adult use only". Fair does i agree with that. It should only be adults that step foot in a pub, be it day time or night time. A pub is a pub, its full of men and women who drink till there hearts content. Wether there are smoking or not smoking. It is not a safe envioroment for a child to be in. Fighting happens in pubs we know that, how hard is it for a glass to come flying across the room and hit a young child in the head ? I know it could happen to anyone of us. The dangers are still there. It becomes even more of an issue when most people are drunk. Slower reaction etc.

So whats there next plan ? To stop drinking in pubs because it cause's to much violence and deaths through fighting and drink driving. I think not ?. Then why should smoking be considered band when just as many die form drinking alcohol as smoking fags.

Peace out.

Danny x

[Caleb]

Maybe my avatar was influencing you? Chris Morris is the man though, especially in Brass Eye and The Day Today...

yeah probably , love the "you're a buntyman, you're a shrub rocketeer . . . . . "

Baltimora !

[Ash-Kennard]

People are complaining about smoking around children etc. On a pack of fags it clearly states "adult use only". Fair does i agree with that. It should only be adults that step foot in a pub, be it day time or night time. A pub is a pub, its full of men and women who drink till there hearts content. Wether there are smoking or not smoking. It is not a safe envioroment for a child to be in. Fighting happens in pubs we know that, how hard is it for a glass to come flying across the room and hit a young child in the head ? I know it could happen to anyone of us. The dangers are still there. It becomes even more of an issue when most people are drunk. Slower reaction etc.

Whoa there. So your saying if a couple have a child they aren't entitled to a pub lunch for 18 years? Unless they pay someone to look after their child? i think that its disgusting that you can even consider this to be logical. I think your view on the matter is f**king stupid and completely bias in favour of your "needs". Smoking is a habit, your not born with a fag down your throat so get over it. If the government had dealt with smoking properly when it was first discovered that smoking was unhealthy and had put a total ban on it back then, then it would not have exculated to all this shit about smoking being a right and thousands of people wouldn't have died from diseases caused by cigarettes.

What you said about alcohol too, the world would be better off without it, it causes fights, car crashes and unusual reactions from people. But its because we are all so narrow minded that we keep it even though we know it is a drug/toxin/risk to the user, just so we can forget about our everyday stresses.

Also what you said about people can go to separate places, maybe some of the group smoke and others don't... they can't all congregate in the same area without one half of the group feeling awkward. its a stupid situation to be put into and should have been properly dealt with a long time ago. but unfortunately for us the government realised they could make far more money through tax of cigarettes than most other sources so they kept it, it is now coming round to bite the NHS who have to deal with thousands of people who cannot sustain a normal life as are slowly being killed due to their addiction.

You can smoke outside, do that. BTW i hope they completely ban smoking its f**king disgusting.

[poopipe]

You can smoke outside, do that. BTW i hope they completely ban smoking its f**king disgusting.

rimming is disgusting but you'd be pissed off if they banned that.

perhaps not, but you get the point.

[Tony Harrison]

I for one feel that this the lamest thing the goverment has ever decided on. It taking away people's freedom to do something. Smoking has been in pubs for donkeys years. If people want to cry and kick up a fuss about it, f**k off to another pub and live with it. I would say in my opinion, there are more smokers in Britain than none smokers. In all fairness, the goverment etc are going to loose money in the long run. You think about it. People will buy more drinks in a pub if they don't have to go outside for a fag.

Takes away people's freedom? How about my freedom to enjoy going into an enclosed space without breathing that tar-infested muck?This is exactly the kind of selfish attitude that makes people hate smoking even more. Do you think the Government gives two shits about your health? Of course not! It's for those who CHOOSE NOT to smoke.How about YOU f**k off if you don't like it. You f**k OFF to a different place where you can sit and fester in a cloud of smoke with other people who don't have moral fibre to give up or the decency NOT to inflict your filthy habit on others.This isn't about Government revenue, or pub drink sales - it's about the health of those who don't deserve to end up in hospital with a smoking related illness that they didn't bring on themselves - that's about 600 a year.Next time I sit in the pub breathing the comparitively fresh air, I'll think about your sorry arse sitting outside in the cold somewhere and be very f**king smug about it. Not because you're a smoker (like Richard) but because you have a thoroughly self-centred and selfish opinion on the subject.

rimming is disgusting but you'd be pissed off if they banned that.

Too many people use bad comparisons with the smoking ban. The key DEFINING thing with smoking is that it affects bystanders. If you watch two people rimming, it won't make you get a sexually transmitted disease, will it?!

[Ash-Kennard]

unless they squirt on you

[Tony Harrison]

Stop if, you're complicating the matter! Besides, there's no need to ban it, it doesn't go on in every pub in the land. I mean, if every pub was full of people rimming a ban would be required, for the greater good!

[Ash-Kennard]

Stop if, you're complicating the matter! Besides, there's no need to ban it, it doesn't go on in every pub in the land. I mean, if every pub was full of people rimming a ban would be required, for the greater good!

i kinda have to agree with you there

[Rich Pearson]

Too many people use bad comparisons with the smoking ban. The key DEFINING thing with smoking is that it affects bystanders. If you watch two people rimming, it won't make you get a sexually transmitted disease, will it?!

And C02 emissions from cars, aeroplanes, trains, motorbikes, factories, powerplants, etc, etc... all that effects innocent (for a very given defination of innocent) bystanders; if I actually took some time to research it I wouldn't be surprised if those things hadn't killed more people than smoking. But again, those things are all nessecery evils, and so we put up with them.

If you want to get really clever, you could say that smoking is actually good, becasue its killing people who would otherwise get up everyday and drive their cars and get on planes and operate machinery which all produces fumes which are destroying the planet. Factor in the impact on population increase of smoking related male impotency and you're onto a winner. Not my point at all, but an interesting little thought if you apply a bit of chaos theory and some Adam Smith.

Rich

[nmt_oli]

If you want to get really clever, you could say that smoking is actually good, becasue its killing people who would otherwise get up everyday and drive their cars and get on planes and operate machinery which all produces fumes which are destroying the planet. Factor in the impact on population increase of smoking related male impotency and you're onto a winner. Not my point at all, but an interesting little thought if you apply a bit of chaos theory and some Adam Smith.

Rich

Ah, but the act smoking itself is also poluting the aptmosphere slightly, not to mention the manufacture/distribution of the product itself. Weather it works out to be more environmentally freindly to shorten your lifespan slightly by smoking, or to not smoke at all and live a longer otherwise polluting life would be very interesting to find out indeed.

[Tony Harrison]

Plus, it can be easily and justifiably banned, as it is unecessary. It is a shame that unecessary car journeys aren't banned - I'm all for imposing taxes or congestion charges on inner-city driving.

But standing in a pub clogged up with fag smoke would be like sticking your mouth over an exhaust pipe. Fumes outside aren't as bad because they disperse (as does fag smoke outdoors - this isn't banned).

There's just no way to justify smoking in a public enclosed space.

[Tomm]

This whole post by Danny makes me lol. And then I feel a bit sad that some people are so ignorant. But mostly lol.

Ahh that took me along time to read. Soo. I being a smoker myself have being discussiing this with family and freinds. Some of which smoke, some of which don't.

I for one feel that this the lamest thing the goverment has ever decided on. It taking away people's freedom to do something. Smoking has been in pubs for donkeys years. If people want to cry and kick up a fuss about it, f**k off to another pub and live with it.

How many pubs do you know that were smoke free before the ban? It has never been a case of 'f**king off to another pub', has it?

I would say in my opinion, there are more smokers in Britain than none smokers.

Well that's just complete toss. It's just under 30% of the population in total who smoke.

In all fairness, the goverment etc are going to loose money in the long run. You think about it. People will buy more drinks in a pub if they don't have to go outside for a fag.

Er, "in all fairness", maybe you should contemplate the billions of pounds that smokers cost the NHS, and the other billions when those ill people take more days off work.

It's all shit. Why on earth couldn't they just keep it how it is in most pubs. 1 area smoking the other none smoking. I can not see what people's problems with that was. Even so. Instead of causing all this havoc. Invest in better extraction facilities. By which i mean. When people are smoking, there are say 12-15 extractor fans in the room so as soon as the fag smoke has being blown out it is atomatically extracted from the room. It is not hard to come up with a solition as simple as that. With technology of this day in age they could of come up with something better than just taking away people's right to smoke.

People are complaining about smoking around children etc. On a pack of fags it clearly states "adult use only". Fair does i agree with that. It should only be adults that step foot in a pub, be it day time or night time. A pub is a pub, its full of men and women who drink till there hearts content. Wether there are smoking or not smoking. It is not a safe envioroment for a child to be in. Fighting happens in pubs we know that, how hard is it for a glass to come flying across the room and hit a young child in the head ? I know it could happen to anyone of us. The dangers are still there. It becomes even more of an issue when most people are drunk. Slower reaction etc.

Maybe you go to the wrong kind of pub. I have never seen a kid get hit by a flying glass.

So whats there next plan ? To stop drinking in pubs because it cause's to much violence and deaths through fighting and drink driving. I think not ?. Then why should smoking be considered band when just as many die form drinking alcohol as smoking fags.

Wow, that's probably the most ignorant thing in this post, which is no mean feat! About 8000 people a year die from complications due to alcohol. Compared to over 100,000 from smoking.

If you don't understand the magnitude of the smoking problem, how can you possibly talk about the smoking ban? Smokers are jokers

[Christophe']

I think we should have a cake making competition and see who's best!

good Idea yer?

[nmt_oli]

I think we should have a cake making competition and see who's best!

good Idea yer?

Chris, while thats a good idea, and would probably make an interesting thread in its own right, if you don't like us debating in here then just don't read it . Cheer up

[tomturd]

Chris, while thats a good idea, and would probably make an interesting thread in its own right, if you don't like us debating in here then just don't read it . Cheer up

Agreed, I've already deleted one of your useless posts from this thread.

Anyway, back on topic. Smoking ban has been in Wales for a while now, pubs are smoke free, but they do smell in other ways. B.O and farts, for example - you will soon see!

[modman]

It's not daft at all, it's perfectly logical. Why should people anywhere be unecessarily exposed to hazardous fumes?! It's only because smoking has become ingrained in society that it's ever been considered to be 'acceptible'. Now it seems the powers that be are finally making moves to deal with it, as it isn't acceptible at all.

We already exposed to unecessary hazardous fumes, for example, the fumes from cars, airplanes, landfill sites, some fossil fuelled power stations, and to even further extend radioactive pollution (from Wireless recievers, mobile phone masts, etc) modern society is pretty much f**ked if you want to keep all these little luxuries.

Edited July 3, 2007 by modman

[Christophe']

Chris, while thats a good idea, and would probably make an interesting thread in its own right, if you don't like us debating in here then just don't read it . Cheer up

Oli , im very cheery thanks, lol.

Just find it amusing that anyone cares about having a debate about the single most stupid thing you can do to your body.(smoke)

I dont mind anyone debating things, but basicaly your all debating about someone having a bit of a bad day lol.

Oh, and why isnt a cake making comp a serious thing to talk about?

Might start a new thread if its ok mods?

[Krisboats]

I can't be arsed to read the whole thread.

But rich, your post seemed to be pretty much what i've been thinking for a while now. Although there are one or two points i didn't agree with, i can't see how people began replying with how they completely disagree with you. The smoking ban has benefits and drawbacks, which i'm sure the majority of which have been highlighted, but then the post wasn't really about the smoking ban... and it seems thats what people were failing to grasp. Call it stupidity, naivity or whatever you want. The fact a lot of the replies thought you were blowing things right out of proporsions clearly show they are incapable of looking at whats right in front of them.

Having seen/read/heard all the films, books, songs etc you used and being a half intelligent person myself i see exactly what you were saying and agree with it. The time WILL come when anything thats harmful will be banned. A lack of trust in a persons ability to use their own free will. There will be no smoking, there will be no drinking, no drugs and medication will be saved only for cases that 100% need it. We'll have so much cultural diversity that the lines between whats accepted and what isn't become a blur and everything will be frowned upon because it may inadvertently cause physical/mental harm to others.

Thats of course taking aside theres also the possibility that people will become so stupid and naive that we simply fail to function as a species and die out. Where people inject their bodies with chemicals in order to look good and huge corporations control what is acceptable instead of the goverments. Think of something along the lines of daniel craigs explanation of the legalisation of drugs due to customer demand in layer cake or the scenario of a completely failing world in idiocracy.

We as a race need to wake up and take control of the situation while there might still be time. If the destruction of this world due to pollution is truly innevitable then wouldn't it be better to stop trying to prevent an innevitability and trying to find another solution? Concentrating on the ability to travel in outer space in colonies like in battlestar galactica or the creation of dome like structures to protect what little of the planet we have left like in the film total recall. Hell, there could probably be enough time to focus on creating an edenistic environment like in Peter Hamiltons knights dawn trilogy of books. To basically create a self sustaining planetoid that uses biotechnology rather than harvesting our planets resources like we are doing.

The shocking thing is a lot of the technology is readily available. There was that guy in america who actually built a car that ran on distilled water. Managed to get around 80mph out of it and it was completely self sustaining. It had water put into it, converted it into hydrogen and oxygen which could then be recycled, puridying it again into water for re-use to further maximise its efficiency. Unfortunately its the corporations that stop the technology getting out and with the thought of making some money now they buy off the patents and deny its use so their products/services can carry on making more of a profit while damaging the planet beyond repair.

You said we may look on what you said as being the ramblings of a crazy/delusional person... well i feel what you said makes far more sense, and someone who can't see it and tries to deny these problems existence is the one who is truly delusional.

So long as "radical free thinkers" aren't afraid to voice their opinions there may just be a little bit of hope left for us as a species.

[011001000110010101110010]

Smoking is bad. We all know that.

But does rich deserve to be ridiculed because of it? Nah, its enough that he has to standoutside to reduce the effects on others.

Cake, anyone?

[monkeyseemonkeydo]

I think Rich is a bit 'special' though... I'm surprised he's never been in a fight for chain smoking while wearing his Cancer Research t-shirt!!

Edit: I'm also looking forward to smoking while driving being banned... that pisses me off- messing around with naked flames and burning sticks while driving is just dangerous and the sooner the rozzers can do people for it the better.

Edited July 3, 2007 by monkeyseemonkeydo

[Fixed Pants™]

But does rich deserve to be ridiculed because of it? Nah, its enough that he has to standoutside to reduce the effects on others.

Just because he rides trials? Just because he is a senior on a forum?

Standing outside is fair, if they want to smoke, they can f**k off outside.

[011001000110010101110010]

What are you on about?

[Fixed Pants™]

But does rich deserve to be ridiculed because of it? Nah, its enough that he has to standoutside to reduce the effects on others.

You're saying he doesn't deserve to be ridiculed because you know him, which is plain silly.

[Simon]

No, hes talking about the people laughing at him in the pub, and 90% of the people in this thread that read the first paragraph of a 2800 word topic and then basing their dumb founded and ignorant opinions on.

[Rich Pearson]

I think Rich is a bit 'special' though... I'm surprised he's never been in a fight for chain smoking while wearing his Cancer Research t-shirt!!

Edit: I'm also looking forward to smoking while driving being banned... that pisses me off- messing around with naked flames and burning sticks while driving is just dangerous and the sooner the rozzers can do people for it the better.

Unfortunately dave, to date I have been punched twice had a glass swung at me once and yelled at in the street numberous times for wearing that damn t-shirt... I'm gonna get it framed.