The enchanted broomstick Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Howdy, errrm i've just gone and fitted my Greddy turbo timer to my beloved 406 and to my surprise everything worked exactly as it should first time. I then realised that i am going to have to lock the doors manually. Now i changed my drivers door a while back and never bothered putting a lock barrel in it because the central locking opens the door just fine and saved me the hassle. So this means that i have to go to the passengers door and lock it with the key.Obviously the timer tricks the car into believing the key is still in the ignition barrel thus the remote locking will not work whilst the turbo timer is keeping the engine running.Is there something i can do so i can get my central locking to work with the turbo timer still running.....?Cheers, Stu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 depending upon budget, get a clifford alarm fitted.thats what ill be doing with mine as my remote dosnt work at all so just get the clirfford with remote start and turbo timer in already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomR Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Just take it easy at the end of your journey like most turbo owners do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br3n Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 to be honist, ona 406 I cant see it mattering much.. there are still hundreds around owned by people who dont care or dont know about turbos and theyre still going strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radfax Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 i sware i got a reply in here, did it get deleted? I didnt say anything bad !Anyhow... what i thought i waid was.... I have a friend who had a similar problem on his toyota, i will ask him how he over come his problem and let you know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The enchanted broomstick Posted June 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Ah but there is reason to worry about it, it may only be a 406 but i've had quite a lot done to it and the hybrid turbo thats on there has just been re-conditioned so im trying to increase its lifespan.I try taking it easy before the end of my journey but the turbo timer really does help.There seems to be this companion lite thing available that locks the doors etc but doesnt do it until the turbo timer has turned off - now in that time somebody could already be in you car! Useful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 turbo timers are for people who want to show off just take it easy at the end of a journey, or sit in ur car for a few seconds with the engine running...that is unless your getting an alarm system already i guess.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The enchanted broomstick Posted July 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 turbo timers are for people who want to show off just take it easy at the end of a journey, or sit in ur car for a few seconds with the engine running...that is unless your getting an alarm system already i guess..Or they could be for people who want to let the turbo cool down before turning the car off? Sometimes its not particularly practical to sit outside for 10 minutes whilst the car is idling. Even whilst the car is on idle the turbo will still be spinning so after coming off a dual carriageway even sitting at low speeds the turbo will still heat up excessively.I dont really feel the need for an additional alarm system. The standard one has immobiliser, central locking, alarm, deadlock and window closing feature so there's not really much else you can gain from an additional system.I guess i asked this question to the wrong people............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Hate to state the obvious, but would the easy answer not just be to change the lock in the drivers door and just use the key?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomer Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 Hate to state the obvious, but would the easy answer not just be to change the lock in the drivers door and just use the key??what i was thinking but i thought it was too obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Arnold Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 (edited) Or they could be for people who want to let the turbo cool down before turning the car off? Sometimes its not particularly practical to sit outside for 10 minutes whilst the car is idling. Even whilst the car is on idle the turbo will still be spinning so after coming off a dual carriageway even sitting at low speeds the turbo will still heat up excessively.I dont really feel the need for an additional alarm system. The standard one has immobiliser, central locking, alarm, deadlock and window closing feature so there's not really much else you can gain from an additional system.I guess i asked this question to the wrong people.............would cool down quicker if you turned the engine off straight away nah only jokin.but seriously, whats the advantage of letting a turbo 'cool down' ? and why do you have to?ta Edited July 4, 2007 by WILL ARNOLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomer Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 would cool down quicker if you turned the engine off straight away nah only jokin.but seriously, whats the advantage of letting a turbo 'cool down' ? and why do you have to?taherethere is the best description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJI Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 (edited) would cool down quicker if you turned the engine off straight away nah only jokin.but seriously, whats the advantage of letting a turbo 'cool down' ? and why do you have to?taIts because they spin on a film of oil when its spinning at high revs when driving, so when you stop and the turbo is slowing down, if you turn the engine off straight away, then that also turns the oil pump off, leaving the turbo spinning from its own momentum purely on its bearings, without the protective film of oil keeping everything lubed up.Beaten too it, well thats what I thought it was for, but the stuff in Broomers post is even more important now I think about it. meh. Edited July 4, 2007 by Dont you Just Hate it When... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
011001000110010101110010 Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 And that the turbo cools as the oil settles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philth Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 I believe you can install a special relay that the central locking locks/arms after the turbo timer finishes its job.I have a Greddy timer and was going to put on the Gti but I figured if the turbo goes...hmmm have to replace itwitha bigger on. One of my mates with his GLI had it with 2 relays that the windows would close as well as the car locking...pretty funny to see the car lock itself with keys in whilst sitting on a dyno.As for the timers job...the turbo gets to obscene temperatures when driven, at idle its runs a lot colder. To extend the life of your turbo, and stop warping of the blades, the timer allows the car to circulate the built up hot oil in in the turbo for cooler oil, obscenely hot oil that would just sit in the turbo if you switched the car strait off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The enchanted broomstick Posted July 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I believe you can install a special relay that the central locking locks/arms after the turbo timer finishes its job.I have a Greddy timer and was going to put on the Gti but I figured if the turbo goes...hmmm have to replace itwitha bigger on. One of my mates with his GLI had it with 2 relays that the windows would close as well as the car locking...pretty funny to see the car lock itself with keys in whilst sitting on a dyno.As for the timers job...the turbo gets to obscene temperatures when driven, at idle its runs a lot colder. To extend the life of your turbo, and stop warping of the blades, the timer allows the car to circulate the built up hot oil in in the turbo for cooler oil, obscenely hot oil that would just sit in the turbo if you switched the car strait off.Yeah there's a thing you can get called the companion lite that closes the windows and locks the doors but, that only does it after the turbo timer has switched off. http://turbotimercompanion.com/The problem with that is if you've been on say a hours drive down motorways and duallies then the timer is going to have to be on for at least 5 minutes to cool down. In that time someone could be in you car and stealing everything inside it..... GREAT! I dont understand why but my mates dad has an evo with a HKS turbo timer which was all on it when he got the car, yet his remote central locking will still work when the turbo timer is running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTM Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 erm a minute for a turbo timer is plenty, 40 secs is even plenty on all but the biggest turbos, 30 secs would do most of us.5 mins your just wasting petrol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prawny Baby Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 erm a minute for a turbo timer is plenty, 40 secs is even plenty on all but the biggest turbos, 30 secs would do most of us.5 mins your just wasting petrolmonitoring the temperature through my air con screen (genuine readings, not adjusted), my temp actually starts to go back up again after about 5-6 minutes idling.provided you take it easy for the last mile or two of driving (which lets face it is no chore) then a simple 30 seconds once parked for the turbo to actually stop spinning is plenty.your not letting it run to let the whole lot cool down, as its not going to cool massively, the main thing is not to cut the oil feed whilst the turbine is still spinning, which after 30 seconds or so, it wont be.1 minute is plenty on your car.lets face it, its very rare you pull up and leave the car STRAIGHT away.if im going riding i let it run until ive got my bike out, if im going to work i let it run until ive put my tie on, tucked in my shirt, and got my pen/glasses sorted.if im just going to see mates, by the time ive got my phone in my pocket, turned off my bluetooth headset, and found my wallet, its been ticking over a minute or so.its a nice idea, but utterly pointless really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The enchanted broomstick Posted July 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 monitoring the temperature through my air con screen (genuine readings, not adjusted), my temp actually starts to go back up again after about 5-6 minutes idling.provided you take it easy for the last mile or two of driving (which lets face it is no chore) then a simple 30 seconds once parked for the turbo to actually stop spinning is plenty.your not letting it run to let the whole lot cool down, as its not going to cool massively, the main thing is not to cut the oil feed whilst the turbine is still spinning, which after 30 seconds or so, it wont be.1 minute is plenty on your car.lets face it, its very rare you pull up and leave the car STRAIGHT away.if im going riding i let it run until ive got my bike out, if im going to work i let it run until ive put my tie on, tucked in my shirt, and got my pen/glasses sorted.if im just going to see mates, by the time ive got my phone in my pocket, turned off my bluetooth headset, and found my wallet, its been ticking over a minute or so.its a nice idea, but utterly pointless really.With taking all that into consideration. I took my car into the garage to have some work done on the turbo and after it was fitted we went for a drive up the bypass and back, literally 5 minutes away and never went over 80mph. Now when we got the car back into the garage it was straight up on the ramp again and the turbo was glowing bright orange because it was so extremely hot. The worst thing is that with my particular engine the turbo is mounted on the back of it so it doesnt receive any cooling at all and takes a fair damn while to cool down a bit. The turbo timer is not just to let the turbine stop spinning but also to stop there being hot oil left in the turbo which would also damage the bearing. Anyways we seem to have completely veered off the original question if anybody works out a solution, i'll be interested to hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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