I rode the short for a while, really liked the frame, strong as houses no joke. Also it has a built in booster which the rear brake feel sold and still make the usual noise. Really good frames, If I was buying one now, I would try the long. Whack some high riser bars on aswell. In general a really nice frame to ride. Other people might say it rides shit, but I think you rather love it, or hate it. Nathan