Mark W

Mine was around 9-10 months old, with a few heinous dents on the downtube. These were also hit repeatedly (I manage to only dent my frame in 3 places, but kept hitting it on the dents :S). I wouldn't call that too bad, really. It just cracked around the top of the weld on the down-tube, between the top- and the down-tube weld. I had to cut the BB shell out of the frame, hence the bits of frame lying around. Got the new one for £90, but my BB keeps coming loose and my headset bearings are raped, so I've barely had a chance to play on it :mellow: Also, aren't BB threads stripping more of a problem of people putting them in badly?

I did. Two words: Freaking Whack.

Shits 'n' giggles. It'd be nice to be paid for doing it, but that'd require turning my release from work/life into work.

Bloody hell Danny, talk about "FLK" :lol:

Yeah, ProD. Only version 7 'cos I'm at home, we've got the newer, better version in school :lol: Did majority of my A2 D&T project on it (designing a building). Beasty it is too B)

D'you reckon you could get some pics or a name of them? If you could get the name I could check 'em out online and see what they looked like, then get back to you?

I've tried pretty much everything, but nowt works. Even tried taping it, but tape is ultra slippery. Poop. What are Renthal grips like? Thin? :lol:

Now, I could've been devious and Edited and Deleted, but then I thought - if Tricks and Stunts 2 taught me anything, it was: :lol: Meh, I'm super tired, ill, and I'm doing work. Shurrup B)

I've got some of those Halfords foam grips. Ad spoke no word of a lie when he said they were shit. Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuber soft, in a "f**king hell, I can't hold on properly" way.

Yeah, comps are good for making friends at :lol: Just cool to have a group of people with a shared interest, and very few people are knobs just 'cos it's all face to face stuff so it's all friendly B) I'll hopefully be there, but knowing me some shit will probably go down and I won't be able too...

So it'll look something like this? Just watch out for rounding the bolts when you come to do it up. It'll keep on being ripped forwards, so you'll probably have to run a nut and bolt setup as opposed to just a standard mech hanger type bolt.

Wow, it's like deja vu from when someone's Zebdi cracked, then 3/4 of the population of the world went outside to check their Zebbers and found identical cracks :lol: Sucks though, to be fair. Did you get your's from X-St too?

The hose doesn't go *really* internally though. There's a gap there between the pair of tubes, and it goes through a small hole in the gusset into that gap, so there's no hole in the frame itself for it to come out of, hence no stress riser, hence no cracking (theoretically).

Price > What they're worth. £595. EDIT: Shit yeah, the new ones - sorry. I'd guess they'd be around that though; the changes aren't going to make it any cheaper I'd have thought, but they'd probably not want to raise it too much...

Could try the FAQ's "Useful Numbers" thread for X-St's number? Don't quit just 'cos you've had a suspect frame - why not try and get it so you can ahve discount off a new Echo Control or Hi-Fi instead of a replacement Pitbull? Something like that might be good (Y) Or get an Onza T-Rex or something :) I don't know what you're looking for frame-wise, but I do know there's no point in just quiting 'cos your frame's died again B) Mark

Is that sorta thing similar to the Planet-X Armourdillo style welding? Like on the downtube, they've got those chuffing great welds that seem to go to nowhere... or is that that weird "hydroforming" (if that's what it is?) biz?

So the hose goes through that gap between the two square tubes then?

With my first ever pair, the writing came off when I was putting them on. Faint silver lettering isn't as big a problem to me as torn grips though...

That's not very emo, is it.

Wouldn't the corners be an area where stress would rise significantly though, and get focused on a tiny area? With a circle there's no real worry about cracking as there's no obvious place for the crack to start and thus the pressure start to tear the rim apart. Couldn't you use something like a tenon drill to make square holes?

Nah, I only noticed the turdiness of my grips today, and they're not really open now... Just thought I'd see if anyone else had been beaten by the unlucky stick too? First of all I crack my frame, then the bearings in the top race of my ZS2 headset get seperated into their component parts (little metal cage from inside is now outside, and bent), then my BB keeps coming loose, and now I can't seem to have a pair of grips that don't tear (Y) ShitLuck™ Mark EDIT: All at Steve-o, btw. I might try Ritcheys, but...hmm...Ad tells me they're thicker than Ruffians, and I don't think I really want something that wide :) I've got huge palms and stupidly short fingers, so it feels hard as hell to hold on :">

Hey, Arrrrrrround about February 2003 (ish) I bought a pair of Monty foam grips. Around about June 2004, I took them off, as they'd packed down to hard. That's over a year of use, and not actually tearing or anything - just becoming packed down too much. I really like the feel of thin grips, so Monty foams do it for me. In the time from when I took those foams off to a few weeks ago, I've tried a variety of grips and none of them have that nice feel of Monty foam grips (or are even close to their thickness). After all this searching, I decided I'd just go back to what I knew. I ordered a pair of foams (along with some other stuff) from Cleanbikes, and a few days later they arrived. I put them on that Saturday at our bike shop. By Wednesday, the left grip had actually torn in half and the right one was starting to tear. Bearing in mind the fact that this is approx. 1/93rd of the length of time the previous pair lasted, I thought "Ho hum, perhaps I was just unlucky." However, I bought a new pair when I thought I'd be riding the YMSA competition (which of course I didn't in the end (Y)). I put those grips on on Friday, rode my bike on Saturday evening and just the start of today, and the right-side grip has shown signs that it's about to tear. What the hell? Has anyone else bought these grips recently and found they've just died super quickly, or do I have super abrasive hands? Does anyone know if they've altered the actual grips themselves or something? Other than that, can anyone suggest any thin grips for me? Preferably a tiny bit thicker than the foams, but not Ritchey WCS/Ruffian thickness? Thanks for any help, Mark

Valid point.

Maybe he expects you to run an Avid Ultimate V so you can put the noodle in from the other side so you could run it the 'correct' way for your chosen direction of spin (Y) Who knows...