Mark W

The mod ones might be a little low? I'm only saying that 'cos I know I can do more than most of them, and I'm not very good? I don't mean that in a self-depricating way, but I really wouldn't say I was good, but I can 'go bigger' than that? Or are we talking in terms of including everyone from noobs to full-time pros?

From the other thread - Python-style frame is 6-8 weeks away :blink:

There won't be a release date yet 'cos they're all super, super early in prototyping. It took ages for the T-Bone to be developed (and then not get sold...) so don't expect anything too soon, really...

Something to put on the C.V. :)

Yeah, I can remember people saying the Koxx LB 1065's were super long and could only be use for ultra UCI riding and now people are doing proper street stuff on 1060 Pure's, Control's, etc... Times change, I guess.

Yes, but if you even so much as put this picture in front of your bike: Your brakes won't work.

Cheap DDG headset? Why yes, yes it was :)

Just found my "T-Bone Stuff" folder I thought I'd lost... Anyway, yeah, this is typically what happened: And that's the basic frame. There were different headtube gussets, rest was mostly the same. Project sorta fizzled out, really (sadly)... A few of the many pics from my Onza case study adventure :( Got me an A for D&T at A-level, so I was happy :) But yeah, the "Prototype" is the T-Raptor downtube - all that I was allowed to take a pic of from that bike. The two mod frames are a pair of my T-Bones. I also got to get my MBUK chainstay guard back 'cos I'd forgotten to take it off before postage :">

The T-Mag's kinda different from the Python. No side plates, different seat-tube config., different geo, different stay design, etc. :) The steel T-Raptor weighed more than the combined weight of Jade from Big Brother + Lisa Riley + every Star Wars nerd combined + every broken Echo ES frame combined + ... you get the idea. We're talking beasty.

Different. Coca-Cola poured it out of a tap into a bottle and sold it. "Real" mineral/spring waters are bottled and sourced differently to that. Only Evian for me, really. Generally out on rides. It's just nice to have a chilled bottle of Evian on a hot summers day... Not as good as Grants and coke with ice, but that's not practical on a ride :) Around the house it'll usually be either milk, apple juice, orange juice or coke, really... You talking about Brecon Carreg Will?

Levelboss copy/T-Pro. T-Pro/Levelboss copy, basically... I was saying that 'cos for the Pulo frames I believe it to be $60, but the T-Pro might be more with different headtube, etc... Anyway, the T-Bones kept dying, basically. I think I had around 4, and Olly had 2 or 3. Olly cracked his frame, I'd basically stopped riding, so I quit my contract and quit riding and sent Olly my frame. He rode it, but I think it tore in half or something equally funny... It was weird really, 'cos the last one had 2.0mm thick straight gauge tubing for the top 'n' down, and then Reynolds triple butted rear triangle. We're talking pretty good shit here, but they could never get the headtube gussets right, sadly. The T-Rex, steel T-Raptor and Woodstock development took over, basically, so they decided to focus more on those bikes, which they have now done. They've got the stock range dialled, so they're tinkering with the mods (e.g. new T-Mag, and so on) now, hence the proliferation of new mod frames.

Never one to usually step into the middle of an emo-bashing session, :), but that was a really good video :) The music has been used before, but it went really well with the riding. It was just good :(

It kinda has been updated. They've got every bike they've released on there now, which is a start I guess. 3 years in the making, anyway :( I would post up a reply about the fact that it's not really a risk if they develop it properly (second proto already, after a short space of time says "yes, they are developing it properly". My prior involvement with a test program and knowing what they do says "yes, they are developing it properly". Knowing how they developed the Woodstock says "yes, they are developing it properly", and will continue to do so), but it doesn't really seem to be sinking in. What's say we quit talking shit about Porsche, and watches, and instead realise that basically, the Python copy will be a different version of the Python frame at a reduced price. This is a pretty good thing. The Slinger mod is, according to Mike, hopefully going to be produced. A totally different mod out there is a pretty good thing. All together: a pretty good thing. Sorted... EDIT - missed out a page of replies, somehow...: Singling me out as "not reading the posts" seems a bit whack, really... The reputation of a company isn't just the frames they produce: it's the pricing (and therefore value for money), customer care, the warranty/replacement system, other components, how they support the sport - if you compare the early Onza to the modern day Onza, it's pretty easy to see that they've struggled to get to the place they're at now. Their first mod bikes were, by their own admission, based on the knowledge that SuperCycles had gained from their time in the BMX world. Therefore, they focused on strength improvement in places that weren't as important in the trials world as in the BMX world, and didn't focus on places that needed support. The initial frames weren't extensively tested, and therefore they died. Lots. The early square-tubed frames died quite willingly, and therefore they got a bad reputation. Again, I'm guessing primarily down to BMXers not raping frames, etc. as much as trials riders, their handling of early warranty jobs led to them not getting a good reputation. In fact, I remember when I first came on here I was one of about 10 people who'd actually admit to owning an Onza product. Now, they're regarded as a pretty good company. The Supercycles 2-year crash replacement is one of the (if not the best) warranty system in trials, and they seem to almost always be fair with how they deal with customers. They stock a good selection of parts catering to the starter rider/someone on a budget up to the more elite riders (Such as Tensile cranks and so on). They've slowly built up their reputation. So I'd say it was deserved, contrary to your: "Onza, to be fair, dont have the kind of reputation they deserve." I might've been reading it wrong, but who knows. This is the internet after-all, where tones of voice are shown using little yellow faces... Anyway, yeah, testing stuff: The T-Bone street mod frame was a new idea. No-one else was making a steel, street mod frame back in 2002. This was just when street was kicking off, and they were one of the first companies to try and help out with getting street riders parts that weren't just for competition usage, and thus likely to break. During the initial testing of the T-Bone, they didn't do anything to their product line-up (the gap from the T-frameset being changed to the T-Pro using the '02 T-Pro round-tubed frame and the T-Mag using the Master frameset had been detailled significantly before the T-Bone was made, as far as I can remember...). Altogether, they made over 7 different T-Bone frames. Again, I'd know as I raped about half of them... The point of this is that testing frames isn't cheap. One off production, compared to the price for a mass produced item, is almost always going to be higher. The welding and so on can't be done shoddily - ESPECIALLY if they're testing for strength like they were with the T-Bone, because it'll give an unrealistic view of the lifespan of the frame. If Onza had just released the initial T-Bone, I'm pretty sure they'd either have gone broke from warranty replacements, or the damage to their reputation would've been too great and they'd probably have closed down the Onza side of SuperCycles and focussed more on their XC, DH, duel/4X or road side of business. They do know what they're doing with testing frames, and they seem to do it quite frequently - again, the Woodstock went through a LOT of variations over a long period of time. This means that when they came to release it, they knew it would be a good frame, and wouldn't snap like kindling. They in effect played it safe, which is what they seem to do with all their product development, and basically - it works. So it's not a "risk" to produce the Ben Slinger mod, and I'm guessing they're not showing that they're producing another potential mod to try and get more money or anything... Referring back to your post though, so you don't think I haven't read this one properly :) - they don't need to produce an off-the-shelf frame. It wouldn't be a super good idea, mainly 'cos they'd need to test it anyway, and their product range is doing OK as it is. The Slinger mod is an addition to it, not taking away anything, so they're not financially at risk. Seeing as each Levelboss frame costs $60-ish (or maybe even less now?) per item, and they sell them for £169 frame only, they're making enough money from that. Also, you seem to be disregarding the other succcessful elements of SuperCycles business. They aren't just in the bike industry for doing trials, remember. So anyhoo, yeah... er... what I said...

Got super far with the download, then it timed out :) Gutted. In related news, it's apparently "Porn Week" on Eengoedidee. Weird banner ahoy...

Yeah, but they don't do grey Koxx Bloxx! Brown, blue, green, red and yellow are the only colours they do, going from hard -> soft in that order. That was why I was confused, basically... Anyway, as has been said many times in the Pads Topic at the top of the page - Koxx greens seem to work pretty well on a grind, and last for quite a while too. Done...

IF you have those pads, why not try them? There's no such thing as "grey" Koxx Bloxx either :( I'd also bet a lot of money that the majority of the Koxx Bloxx will last longer on a grind than Rimjams...

I did my Art exam using a Fujica SLR, and really enjoyed it. I've always liked photography and now I'm considering trying to see what sorta career I could get in it too. I'm gonna need a new camera too, so I think I'm leaning towards the Digital Rebel (it's something like that anyway :(), some random Canon DSLR. I really can't use automatic digital cameras to get the sorta shots I want, really... Anyway, lens based media art foundation courses seem to be the norm if you want to go into uni to do it, unless you've got a pretty bangin' folio. Chris Ratcliffe'll probably wade in here soon, think we spent 3 hours talking about it 'til 2am one night...

Start to spin pretty early, and really place the bike where it needs to be with your legs and hips. Get your upper body and head in the right place and the rest should follow, basically.

:( Evolution isn't a heinous crime, you realise?

:(

Yeah it's a bit odd how they can clearly do some amazing stuff, yet at Bike05 they did f**k all decent stuff, just shit to try and please the crowd and all that crap... front wheel-less riding just doesn't really cut it, and slow, gash can-cans and stuff are just shit... Ah well.

Eh? :( It's all about a balance of geometry anyway, seeing as 40ft long stays would be shit anyway. But yeah, they still don't ride short bikes because they're lighter, eithe way...

Nah, that's got the side plates, unlike the T-Mag. JT! - geometry means it feels lighter than it is though. Craig Lee Scott can do hella big sidehops on his long-stayed Python, and Benito Ros can do hella big sidehops on his still relatively long-stayed (for the length of the bike) XTP short.

But fun to ride all the same. Friend round here got one, was interesting. Even got a pic of Chris Poyzer riding trials on one.

Mathuds0 on here just gave me a link to the "Biketrial Psycho!" trailer on the Monty site. Rudest. Song. Ever. Try and find the line "I rammed my cock down it's throat" and "you boring c**ts"... D'you reckon Ot/Cesar actually knew what the song meant when they chose it? ^_^ http://www.montybikes.com/multimedia/index.asp <- Bottom link. Hench sidehop at the beginning too :(