They are very well made and have less flex in them then the echos did, only odd thing on them is that the disc mount is +20 so you may need new adaptor, or just do what I did and turn the adaptor on my caliper upside down The echos you can't buy anymore but they were still ok forks, they flexed alot but the built quailty was not to bad, but get the trialtechs much better!