But thats not always the case. So your saying people who tuck a stupid amount on a 50" wall are tucking because it looks good and there not strugiling and trying there hardest to get up the wall ? Tucking and the on/off technique is used because people ARE pushing themseleves as far as they can go. Of course this or any other thread on this type of thing will neevr end in harmony because some people agreew ith it and others don't but in my opinion its counts. Danny.