laurent

Weight is important. A lightweight bike is really "pleasant" to ride. But look how big Carthy and Hannes Hermann are going big with this bike ... They are better, especially Carthy, than a lot of riders with lighter bikes. This was an option, but not available with all dealers apparently ....

As i understand, it is not how ISIS splines are supposed to work, So a two pieces cranckset would have been better. And i really don't get why echo uses their own splines instead of shimano splines like crewkerz for cranksets and hubs, or Ozonys for hubs. This is not really user friendly.

Magura MT7 !

I don't think there is a decline in popularity. But i have to say my judgment is biased as i'm french, i'll explain why. Here people seems to be more intrested in comp riding than before. I realised that looking at the following video : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x22lt00_coupe-du-monde-de-vtt-trial-pra-loup-2014_sport#from=embediframe In it you can hear the manager of the resort where the comp took place say that trial is in his opinion, the most "visual" and fun to watch discipline of the mountain bike. Especially because the heights of the obstacles make it very impressive. I'm not at all in comp riding, but i must admit, on some competitions here in france there is a lot of spectators. Anyways, yes trial is boring, aren't every sports ? Don't you think surfing, skiing, downhill, base jump, racing cars, tennis, blabla.....aren't boring unless you are in it ? And for sure for someone who is just passing by, trials is certainly not the most boring to watch. Moreover, i don't see the point in opposing constantly the "different ways" of riding trials. I mostly ride natural on my "pogo stick" bike, but i enjoy flipp riding, akrgig riding, Danny Mac riding or the Coustelleirs, Hermance and so going big. When riders are good they are good ! In my opinion, as a rider when you get a bit bored, just change the spots you ride, the type of bike you ride or so. And not matter which bike you ride, you can be creative and produce something interesting, but it requires some efforts. And it is just a personal opinion, but what is the most boring in trials, is people constantly complaining about trials was better before : hans rey was so good, so fun,...Ryan Leech was so good, so fun,...blablabla... Just take your bike, make it live again if you can, or be creative !

Could have been nice if only it was using "Shimano type" splines ... Moreover, this, used with isis cranks does not seem that coherent.

I hope this will help. My "old" quark2 had the same clearance, i never had any issue with it.

inthesystem > I agree with you on what you said above, but i can assure you that the clearance is quite good. I had qui a lot of frame in the past and the clearance was not that good.

I don't have one, if i clearly understand what you want, but i'll try to take one ;-) Considering the der Kaiser as a "big" Tire, there is plenty. Your impression is probably coming from the fact that pictures don't do justice to that point. There are 1 to 2 centimeters of clearance everywhere, i think you can call that plenty. :wink2:

This bike is incredibly stiff, if you are looking for stiffness, this is the bike you need. Even not being a very good rider, i can appreciate how effective this bike is, and i can realise how much power is loss in each movment with bikes using ISIS Bottom brackets or such. They've also done a lot of small improvments over the Quark 2 : Insert for the tensionner, rake mount and tyre arch, 1.5" steerer ... In my opinion, this bike is THE most "modern" bike trial on the market. This is a bike i highly recommand. And Again Customer support is the greatest. I had to deal with Christian in the past, to me he seem very passionate about what he does. Quick Specs : - Crewkerz Cleep long (1090/380/+65) frame and fork. - Crewkerz Wheels - Brakes : rear hs33 ("old" style) + 185mm BB7 front brake - Tires : Der Kaiser, speed king 2.1 - Maxxis ultralight tubes - Cranks/freewheel : Crewkerz, splined. - Try-All single cages pedals - Titanium, alloy, nylon (hs33 crossover "clips") bolts almost everywhere - Crewkerz Stem - Trialtech Carbon bar. Approx. Weight : 9.4kg, which is not so bad i think using a bb7 and a der Kaiser

What are those pedals' spindles you're using? Echo spindle with try-all body? How does it work? I thought it couldn't work together...

I had the same issue. But i have the "new" ones now, they are a bit different. I think/hope that this problem is fixed...

Atomz is currently staying "under" Sunn Brand, but Atomz's porjects are in stand by.... Sunn will run Atomz's after-sales service during this period.

Try-all cranks, tend to break in the same area. And some batch of rockman seemes to tend to break around the pedam thread... So reliability is not the most important question here... Even if the try-all seem to be more reliable. Every lite crank will eventualy break. To me, the only good point of rockman lite cranks is the bigger offset, if you need it... If you don't go for the try-all.

Atomz was his own brand...and we don't know nothing about what he will do. But Atomz projects are now on pause...for how long? Too bad, he had some good ideas like splined freewheel, i heard something about a new brake etc..

Yes of course. But being french it is quite easy to reach christian/atomz. So it is quite easy too, to get problems solved. But i guess being abroad it is not that easy. And clearly dealing products and communication are not Atomz's strong suit. But i'm not sure they are unscrupulous or something as some people tend to pretend here. But maybe i'm wrong.

To be fair, if you are a customer, Christian/Atomz treat you very well. Maybe they are not that good dealing with dealers. But clearly Atomz have big issues with the "dealing process". And i'm pretty sure they know it. However, as i said, they have a great customer "service", i had some issues with a hub, and they replaced it without any arguments or so. And here, every customers with some issues have been treated very well.

If i'm not misleading, Atomz tried it yet ( prototype) . It does not work.

Any linear cable will be fine!

The "new" BB7 is as good as the old one (i rode both), The breaking power is A LOT better with the avid g3 rotor than with the roundagon thing.

So it is supposed to have more bite than the Belaeys?correct?

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I'm just almost sure that people driving on the right side of the road do it because, knights used to wear their sword on the right too. So riding on the right their swords did get entangled when they crossed (don't know if it is the correct word) each other. So i guess british knights/people used to wear they swords on the left.

Exactly, soon we will not be abble to change a frame only anymore...or other parts... If you want to ride Atomz frame you need a specific hub, i you want to ride this frame you will need postmount brake, maybe a specific fork for the rockman frame with tapered headtube...etc.... This leads us to have to change the whole bike when you want to ride a different frame....maybe it is what they want... It is nice to see some really good improvments in trials parts. But some choices are questionnable. In this case 116mm spaced frame...why? And indeed even if these frames are probably high end frames they quite look like "cheap" neon frames.... If it is not stronger than a Rockman frame, it does not worth the extra cost......

The "outer teeth" of the Sl titanium is the same as the sl, it is no made of titanium, so it will not last more....or less. Apparently these echo outer teeth happened to break sometime.

For me they work fine. Braking is good with tnn bealey pads. These rims are probably not the strongest out there, but they are light. If you don't ride very hard and don't ride very big stuff, i think they can hold on. I ride one for about a year now with no trouble at all. Regarding the "grinding problem", i didn't notice anything for now.