agreed, i have phatpads and thats exactly how they sound and to be honest my brake couldnt possibly get any better, its its just impossible it refuses to slip haha so the tnn pads cant be any better yet i cant imagine they can be anyworse, any pads with cnc backings and half decent material are going to be insanly good if theyre set up right. my main consern is how they treat your magura calipers nd that, and with phatpads being more of a word of mouth make, and tnn on tarty. you would expect tnn to win as theyre in the uk's biggest trials shop. but meh, either or, theyre both good.