Lol'd at that. This thread is (IMO) starting to get f**king ridiculous. The idea of the thread initially was to discuss Onza's new prototype mod frame, It's now a slagging match. I agree with previous comments on Onza's ideas, A few ideas are copied, CNC'ing,Different headtubes etc... Can you honestly tell me other companies don't do that? Most frames in the market now have CNC'd details. Onza are (IMO) an amazingly innovative company who deliver affordable yet quality frames, at 14 years old and on a shitty weekend job, Onza are a breath of fresh air for me, because they deliver, unexpensive. stylish frames that actually feel nice to ride In summary: Why the f**k are we all are arguing just because we like different bikes? We're all entitled to our own opinion... I do like the frame by the way